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Author: | Struttnoddy [ Mon May 14, 2018 5:06 am ] |
Post subject: | joseki mistake |
Came across this joseki in a game recently and my opponent played black 8. By most accounts this is a mistake and I can see this it's a classic, amateur "play the atari just cause it's there" but I wondered what the refutation would be? Is it simply a case of black playing a bad atari is punishment enough? According to Waltheri this has been played in precisely zero pro-games, so I presume the fact that it's bad should just be self evident ![]() In addition black then pushed at 10, given the mistake of 8 seems to be generally followed up by the marked tigers mouth, 10 seemed a mistake that had to be punished more actively This was the continuation when I cut, black protected at the marked point: In the end black got good thickness, although left a cut behind, and white got sente plus a sizeable corner. This was a 2 stone game so the thickness worked well, but in an even game I feel like white got a much better deal here. Do people disagree, should have done something other than cut? Penny for your thoughts? |
Author: | Uberdude [ Mon May 14, 2018 5:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: joseki mistake |
Only move. |
Author: | Struttnoddy [ Mon May 14, 2018 6:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: joseki mistake |
Good point, well made ![]() Changing the move order a bit makes this painfully obvious. If I want to play 4 when black kicks, I should just exchange 5 for 6 as I would have done anyway, cutting clearly gives black too much. Funny how sometimes all it takes is a small diagram and two words to make something that seemed obscure at the time suddenly so obvious ![]() |
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