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| Author: | dedroid [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Joseki question |
hello, i was playing a game and this move came up and i can't find reference for it anywhere, so i was hoping i could get some help here. so far i've thought about these two moves but i don't really know where to go from here |
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| Author: | mw42 [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Joseki question |
I'd play this move and be satisfied. Black's approach stone seems awkward now and if he wants to live on top he has to crawl. Separating seems important, but This move is immediately bad shape for white, and it leaves black with (a) which threatens to connect and helps his shape on the side. This move is almost definitely not joseki, it reeks of a trick play to me so maybe someone more educated in those matters can be more helpful. |
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| Author: | Shaddy [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Joseki question |
mw42 wrote: I'd play this move and be satisfied. Black's approach stone seems awkward now and if he wants to live on top he has to crawl. Separating seems important, but This move is immediately bad shape for white, and it leaves black with (a) which threatens to connect and helps his shape on the side. This move is almost definitely not joseki, it reeks of a trick play to me so maybe someone more educated in those matters can be more helpful. I'd definitely play the second diagram. I can't find anything actually wrong with it, and the first one sets my trick play alarm off. For example, what now? |
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| Author: | mw42 [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Joseki question |
I don't know, maybe just attach underneath? If black pushes to make a wall, it has a weakness at (a) so maybe this is not so good. If black plays hane then white can cross-cut. He has a two-stone wall to help him in a fight. |
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| Author: | mw42 [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Joseki question |
Also it looks like the intention of might be to seal white in, if that is the case perhaps this is playable (the assumption being the outside is important) |
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| Author: | Harleqin [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Joseki question |
I actually had a similar situation in a recent game of mine. I played  , and Black took  . I think that it is not easy to answer.Do you think that this is sufficient for White? How urgent do you think is  ?
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| Author: | Solomon [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Joseki question |
mw42 wrote: Also it looks like the intention of :B1: might be to seal white in, if that is the case perhaps this is playable (the assumption being the outside is important) This is simply terrible for White, unplayable. |
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| Author: | aurik [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Joseki question |
Harleqin wrote: This perhaps exposes the trick play? The normal joseki I see when 3 is played is usually: Obviously at this point responding to a at b would be a grave error: However, your W4 looks to be an excellent result for W. |
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| Author: | dedroid [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Joseki question |
thanks for all the help! all of this is really helpful. |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Joseki question |
Hmmm. What about something like this?  threatens 2.Compare with this: -  is joseki, but then the exchange of  and  is bad for Black.
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| Author: | dedroid [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Joseki question |
I wouldn't mind that result as black. black gets sente and some nice corner. |
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| Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Joseki question |
Quote: but then the exchange of and is bad for Black.It is? It looks like a bad exchange for white to me. |
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