Strange Fuseki

oso · #1

This is from one of my own games, with a slight modification.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc White to Play. $$------------------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O . . | $$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$-------------------------------------[/go]

In the original game, white pincered the black group in the lower right. Also, if somebody could enable coordinates on this, that would be great. I don't remember how.

Also, I'm back. Hi everyone.

Jordus · #2

You just add a 'c' after $$B. You can click show diagram code to see what I mean since I edited the diagram for you.
The B stands for black plays first. The c stands for coordinates..

1986 · #3

Welcome back buddy

this fuseki look very bad for white in my opinion

isn't a fuseki suppose to be equal on both sides

Looks like white is playing way to solidly and fell behind in the opening

daniel_the_smith · #4

I'm pretty sure D15 is much better for white than a move on the bottom. If white does that, I think white would be ahead.

The only question is whether or not black can punish white's two-space extension in the lower right...

Redundant · #5

daniel_the_smith wrote:

The only question is whether or not black can punish white's two-space extension in the lower right...

I feel like the shape in the bottom right is punishment in and of itself. There's so much aji in that extension :twisted:

, there's no way that there won't come a time where white needs to add a move there to prevent something nasty.

Puppycakes · #6

The two space extension has a lot of bad aji and so it for example drops the value of J3 for white because he's thinner on that side. Otherwise, maybe something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc White to Play. $$------------------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 2 . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O . . | $$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . 4 . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$-------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc White to Play. $$------------------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 O 8 . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 4 3 . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O 6 . | $$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$-------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc White to Play. $$------------------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 X 6 . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O O . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O O . | $$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$-------------------------------------[/go]

Actually, with this sort of sequence in mind, J3 is looking bigger than it did before.

flOvermind · #7

Puppycakes wrote:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc White to Play. $$------------------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 X 6 . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O O . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O O . | $$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$-------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc White to Play. $$------------------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 7 . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X 5 . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O O . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X 6 | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O O . | $$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$-------------------------------------[/go]

Even better for black

There is a nice video about how to deal with the (wrong) two-space extension in this joseki:
http://www.gocommentary.com/free-videos/how-to-punish-overplay-03.html

Puppycakes · #8

flOvermind wrote:

Puppycakes wrote:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc White to Play. $$------------------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 X 6 . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O O . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O O . | $$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$-------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc White to Play. $$------------------------------------- $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 7 . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X 5 . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O O . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X 6 | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . X , O O . | $$| . . . . O . . . . . X . . . X O . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$-------------------------------------[/go]

Even better for black

There is a nice video about how to deal with the (wrong) two-space extension in this joseki:
http://www.gocommentary.com/free-videos/how-to-punish-overplay-03.html

Heh. So it is.

Actually, that video is where I first learned this tesuji.

Strange Fuseki

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