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Author: | aurik [ Fri May 27, 2011 11:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Joseki follow-up question |
Got into a situation very early (move 5) in a game yesterday: My general heuristic for responding to the low pincer here when W has a stone in the lower-left, I attach at 3-3, otherwise I consider the splitting move at 2-5. In any case, this game the lower-right was W on the star point, so I proceed to attach, and it's pretty much W's choice to play this out: At this point, B has played second in the corner, has maybe 10 points there, but W has development on both sides. Here's the follow-up from the game. W descended ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I can't help but feel that ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Fri May 27, 2011 11:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Joseki follow-up question |
aurik wrote: Pros don't seem to play ![]() ![]() Perhaps there's a better ![]() |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Fri May 27, 2011 12:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Joseki follow-up question |
You have an alive corner and a strong cutting group despite being in the corner second, so I prefer black here. However, I do think the ![]() ![]() Daniel's move also looks interesting. |
Author: | aurik [ Fri May 27, 2011 1:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Joseki follow-up question |
Thanks for the comments so far. I agree that I like the result of the joseki, but only if I can handle the cutting stones skillfully. If W successfully harasses them, it doesn't feel nearly as good. @DE: In your first diagram, W2 seems sente against the corner if B can't kill the marked W stones. And, I don't immediately see how either a or b works to kill (and no other move jumps out at me but I may just be missing it), so I'd probably respond by living at 2-2, at which point I might as well play the atari before W has the chance to play ![]() |
Author: | Redundant [ Fri May 27, 2011 2:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Joseki follow-up question |
Daily joseki says that pros don't like white 5 as the empty triangle, and instead do something along these lines. |
Author: | aurik [ Fri May 27, 2011 2:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Joseki follow-up question |
Redundant wrote: Daily joseki says that pros don't like white 5 as the empty triangle, and instead do something along these lines. This is the variation I expected. It continues with either B living/defending ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Fri May 27, 2011 2:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Joseki follow-up question |
aurik wrote: Thanks for the comments so far. I agree that I like the result of the joseki, but only if I can handle the cutting stones skillfully. If W successfully harasses them, it doesn't feel nearly as good. @DE: In your first diagram, W2 seems sente against the corner if B can't kill the marked W stones. And, I don't immediately see how either a or b works to kill (and no other move jumps out at me but I may just be missing it), so I'd probably respond by living at 2-2, at which point I might as well play the atari before W has the chance to play ![]() I like forcing White to crawl along the second line. ![]() Also, ![]() |
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