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Author: | Bill Spight [ Wed May 05, 2010 12:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Ko position from Gokyo Seimyo |
This comes from the plays inside territory section of the Gokyo Seimyo. It shows the line through ![]() In a real game, the ko threat situation is typically significant. Normally, because the defender has more at stake, assuming that the attacker is komaster gives more realistic picture, even if the defender takes the ko first. (If neither player has a ko threat, who takes the ko is more significant, however.) If White is komaster the line given is not optimal. Please consider what is best play when White is komaster in a real game, where there are many plays, and plays of comparable size on the board. (I am not presenting this as a problem, because best play depends on a number of factors.) Enjoy! ![]() Note: The komaster can win kos, but the concept is more specific. You can think of it this way. Black has no ko threat, and White has just enough threats to win any ko. That means that White cannot delay winning a ko, because of the threat that Black will take the ko back and White will have no threat. |
Author: | Harleqin [ Wed May 05, 2010 4:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ko position from Gokyo Seimyo |
[sgf-full](;GM[1]SZ[19]FF[4]AP[GOWrite:2.2.21]PM[2]GN[ ]AW[er][ao][bo][co][cp][dp][dq][ep][fp][gp][gq][hr][iq]PW[ ]PB[ ]AB[br][cq][bp][ap][dr][eq][fq][fr][gr] ;W[es] ;B[ds] ;W[bq] ;B[cr] ;W[ar] ;B[bs] )[/sgf-full] Black can shed some stones. |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Wed May 05, 2010 7:14 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ko position from Gokyo Seimyo |
Harleqin wrote: Black can shed some stones. Yep. ![]() Now, what about ![]() |
Author: | gonut [ Wed May 05, 2010 9:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ko position from Gokyo Seimyo |
Bill Spight wrote: Harleqin wrote: Black can shed some stones. Yep. ![]() Now, what about ![]() |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Wed May 05, 2010 10:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ko position from Gokyo Seimyo |
gonut wrote: Bill Spight wrote: Harleqin wrote: Black can shed some stones. Yep. ![]() Now, what about ![]() |
Author: | Harleqin [ Wed May 05, 2010 11:13 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ko position from Gokyo Seimyo |
At first glance, I thought ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Wed May 05, 2010 1:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ko position from Gokyo Seimyo |
On average, ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | gonut [ Wed May 05, 2010 2:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ko position from Gokyo Seimyo |
Bill Spight wrote: gonut wrote: Depending on the whole board situation, Black may be able to try another possibility. [sgf-full](; AW[er][ao][bo][co][cp][dp][dq][ep][fp][gp][gq][hr][iq] AB[br][cq][bp][ap][dr][eq][fq][fr][gr]; W[es];B[ar] C[Black may have the option of keeping sente.]; W[ds];B[cr];W[gs] C[Black may be able to play this variation, e.g., if Black can make 6+ points elsewhere.] )[/sgf-full] Excellent! ![]() ![]() Thanks for the endgame lesson. Sorry to be dense, but what does "typically White's sente" mean? I.e., why wouldn't White play that last move, which is worth about 15 points? |
Author: | Bill Spight [ Wed May 05, 2010 4:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ko position from Gokyo Seimyo |
gonut wrote: Bill Spight wrote: Excellent! ![]() ![]() Thanks for the endgame lesson. Sorry to be dense, but what does "typically White's sente" mean? I.e., why wouldn't White play that last move, which is worth about 15 points? The last move gains 7 2/3 points, on average. (The swing is 15 1/3 points.) The original position is an 8 1/3 point sente for White. The difference is less than 1 point, so it would not be unusual for White to have nothing better elsewhere than the 7 2/3 point gote after the 8 1/3 point sente. That's why I said that it was "typically" White's sente, even though it is theoretically White's sente. ![]() |
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