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Author: | SoDesuNe [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Problem 2.6 of Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Tesuji Problems Vol. 3 |
This book is giving me quite a hard time because it seems that without being able to read the chinese characters, some problems - especially the answers - are very hard to understand (for me). One example, which I discussed with a local Dan-player was the following: It's Black to move and there seems to be a very obvious candidate. But according to the answer this is inferior. This is the answer. But the local Dan-player said, he would never play this move and that it looks crude. White could even sacrifice his two stones and making a strong shape in the center. The book's complete answer has two diagrammes: 1. 2. And both seem good for Black, I think. Furthermore there is this diagramme, pointing out, that after the ![]() ![]() ![]() This is what the local Dan-player suggested, when Black cuts... ...and I don't find this bad for White. Of course it's hard to measure the result in this local context because we don't know how much support the two Black stones on the right have. But then again, how and when is ![]() |
Author: | amnal [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Problem 2.6 of Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Tesuji Problems Vol. 3 |
Quote: But then again, how and when is ![]() I think the answer is quite simple; ![]() I think the real point of the book's author is that ![]() |
Author: | Magicwand [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Problem 2.6 of Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Tesuji Problems Vol. 3 |
this is what i expect... some variations in the book are not what you expect strong players to play. IMO, cutting seems only optimal move. rest depends on the board situation... |
Author: | gaius [ Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Problem 2.6 of Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Tesuji Problems Vol. 3 |
My first thought was also "wow, that cut looks crude". But I changed my mind. Getting both hanes is nice indeed. I would not have found this in a game, I think. Check this tewari. In diagramme II (after the book's cut), ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Chew Terr [ Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Problem 2.6 of Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Tesuji Problems Vol. 3 |
Where can I find these books? It's not the same as this, is it? http://www.amazon.com/Lee-Chang-Hos-Lif ... 2&sr=1-133 |
Author: | SoDesuNe [ Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:26 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Problem 2.6 of Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Tesuji Problems Vol. 3 |
No, those are the Life-and-Death ones. There are corresponding Tesuji books. http://senseis.xmp.net/?LiChangHoJingjiangWeiqiShoujin You can buy them (e.g.) on http://mohsart.se. |
Author: | gogameguru [ Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Problem 2.6 of Yi Ch'ang-Ho's Tesuji Problems Vol. 3 |
It really depends on the strength of those two black stones on the right hand side of the diagram, and you should take into account that that's a slightly unusual shape. If those two stones are strong, sacrificing just loses eye shape and makes a heavy group for white (thick groups are just heavy sometimes). It also makes black's group completely alive, which makes it even easier for black to attack white's 'stick'. On the other hand, if sacrificing was a good strategy, then skipping the cut like you suggest would probably be better. It's awhile since I've read those books, but I remember that I didn't get this problem right the first time either. |
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