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Author:  lovelove [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:58 am ]
Post subject:  Joseki question
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

To here is a basic joseki shape.

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[go]$$c
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Usual sequence, the next move will be a, b, or c

My question is...

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[go]$$c
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I found this interesting variation in a pro game. Can anyone having a Japanese joseki dictionary, check out this variation for me? Ishida's dictionary won't have this variation I think, btw, but there should be newer ones.
Author:  Twitchy Go [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Joseki question
Hey lovelove. I looked in my copy of 21st century dictionary of basic joseki and found it. This variation is considered a bit of a special case when B wants to emphasize the top left.
Author:  lovelove [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Joseki question
Twitchy Go wrote:
Hey lovelove. I looked in my copy of 21st century dictionary of basic joseki and found it. This variation is considered a bit of a special case when B wants to emphasize the top left.

Thank you very much! So should a playable variation. In the real game, the top side was mini-chinese, so this variation seems reasonable. Thank you!

(Edit : top-right... right? not top-left :-? )
Author:  Twitchy Go [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Joseki question
lovelove wrote:
Twitchy Go wrote:
Hey lovelove. I looked in my copy of 21st century dictionary of basic joseki and found it. This variation is considered a bit of a special case when B wants to emphasize the top left.

Thank you very much! So should a playable variation. In the real game, the top side was mini-chinese, so this variation seems reasonable. Thank you!

(Edit : top-right... right? not top-left :-? )

Yes.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 1 O X . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 2 6 . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is the orientation in my book, I was just not paying enough attention to fix the directions in my post. :lol:
So top left in this diagram. :oops:
But top right in yours.
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