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| Author: | Hanmanchu [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 5-3 joseki in pro games |
Hi everyone, in Ishida's dictionary of basic joseki, a few long variations are given starting from the following 5-3 point joseki: Now if black plays a and cuts, matters can become difficult. I find the following variations given by Ishida very interesting and quite difficult to understand. I am really interested if the given sequence occurs in pro games - maybe someone could give me a hint here? |
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| Author: | Twitchy Go [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5-3 joseki in pro games |
Searching with Gogod+kombillo with the search defined to these dimensions I found 58 pro games. A:played 34 times B:played 12 times C:played 10 times D:played 2 times Let me know if you wanted more information. Edit: My version of gogod has 70178 games to give a sense of how common this sequence is. |
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| Author: | Hanmanchu [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5-3 joseki in pro games |
Hi Twitchy Go, thx for the quick answer! Unfortunately, I can not look for patters, I own smartgo which comes with a large game database though. The numbers you give seem to indicate that the sequence it not that uncommon or is it just the opposite? I am particulary interested in how the position comes up in games. Could you give me one or two games with names/date? According to Ishida (in the local joseki context etc.), of the moves in your diagram, (a) is the strongest response, (d) is not mentioned. |
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| Author: | Twitchy Go [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 5-3 joseki in pro games |
Some games with the pattern. a)Paek Hong-seok vs Cho Hun-hyeon 2007-12-08 Yamashita Keigo vs Cho Chikun 2006-03-27 Yang Chae-ho vs Yi Ch'ang-ho 1995-08-09 b)Honinbo Shuei vs Ito Kotaro 1898-11-20 Yang Chae-ho vs Cho Hun-hyeon 1994-11-07 Oeda Yusuke vs Magari Reiki 1974-05-23 c)Inoue Ichiro vs Go Seigen 1929-07-24 Liu Xiaoguang vs Nie Weiping 1991-07-17 Imamura Toshiya vs Mizokami Tomochika 2009-06-04 d)Li Yixiu vs Cao Xiaoyang 2006-12-04 Kitani Minoru vs Iwamoto Kaoru 1941-07-23 Names and dates transcribed straight from gogod. I'm not sure if romanization of names is always consistant across sources though... The dates will be right though. |
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