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Author:  yoyoma [ Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:13 am ]
Post subject:  Texas-sized tedomari
Why are all these tedomari problems puny 1 point differences?

Find the best line of play for both sides (maximize the score). Solve for both black to play first and white to play first.

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[go]$$ Texas-sized tedomari
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O O X X X X X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X X X X X . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X X X X X O X X X X X . , . . . |
$$ | O . O X X X X X O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O O X X X X X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X X X X X . X . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | O O O X X X X X O X X X X X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X X X X X O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X X X X X O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O O O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O X X X X X X X , X . . |
$$ | . O . X X X X O X O O O O O X X X . . |
$$ | O O . X X X X O . O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . O X X X X X X . X X X X X X X X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Inspired by the recent threads about this problem:
http://senseis.xmp.net/?EndgameProblem24
Author:  jts [ Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Texas-sized tedomari
But... but... who has the move?
Author:  yoyoma [ Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Texas-sized tedomari
jts wrote:
But... but... who has the move?


I edited the OP. Solve it for both cases. :)
Author:  Charlie [ Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Texas-sized tedomari
My answer: white to play...

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[go]$$W Answer: White to Play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O O X X X X X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X X X X X 2 X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X X X X X O X X X X X . , . . . |
$$ | O . O X X X X X O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O O X X X X X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O M M M M M 1 X . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | O O O M M M M M O X X X X X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O M M M M M O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O M M M M M O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O O O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O X X X X X X X , X . . |
$$ | . O . X X X X O X O O O O O X X X . . |
$$ | O O . X X X X O 3 O O O O O X . X . . |
$$ | . O X X X X X X 4 X X X X X X X X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White captures 20 stones and saves 10 stones. Black saves 29 stones. Black forces white to play a sente move as the second last move in the game which suits black perfectly.


Black to Play

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[go]$$B Answer: Black to Play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O O X X X X X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O X X X X X 3 X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | O O O X X X X X O X X X X X . , . . . |
$$ | O . O X X X X X O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O O X X X X X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O M M M M M 2 X . X . X . , . . . |
$$ | O O O M M M M M O X X X X X . . . . . |
$$ | O . O M M M M M O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O M M M M M O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O O O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | O O O O O O O O X X X X X X X , X . . |
$$ | . O . X X X X O X M M M M M X X X . . |
$$ | O O 4 X X X X O 1 M M M M M X . X . . |
$$ | . O X X X X X X 5 X X X X X X X X . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black captures 10 stones and saves 29. White captures 20. If black had played :b1: at :w2:, white would have played :b1: sure in the knowledge that black could only save one of the remaining dangos.
Author:  jts [ Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Texas-sized tedomari
Charlie, one minor note:
Black saves 29 stones and two points, for an even 60 points (or thirty pairs, if you think that way). c3&4 could become W territory...
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