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Author:  Nero [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Looking for Joseki Problem Book
I'm not sure if the book I'm looking for exists, but I wanted to know if anyone could recommend a joseki book around the 5k level which focuses primarily on problems. I'm not really sure of my rank because I don't like to play games, but about 8 months ago I got 5-6k on KGS from playing bots, so I guess that's roughly where my rank is. Generally, I learn the best from books that are based on problems, so now that I'm trying to learn something about Joseki, I would really like a book in that direction. I really appreciate the help, thanks.
Author:  EdLee [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:52 pm ]
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Hi Nero, you can consider these:

- Get Strong at Joseki by Richard Bozulich and Furuyama Kazunari.

- Dictionary of Basic Joseki by Ishida Yoshio.

- 21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki by Takao Shinji.
Author:  Codexus [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking for Joseki Problem Book
"Get Strong at Joseki" seems to be exactly what you want.
Author:  Chew Terr [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking for Joseki Problem Book
This is my weakest point as well. It sounds like it would be too hard for us both (I'm around 2k), but I recommend "Graded Go Problems for Dan Players Volume 3 - Joseki." The problems get difficult but are approachable and well-explained. Also key is that each problem shows the sequence of moves that led there and shows why any variations are suboptimal or conditional. It's what I've been working on thanks to often's prodding, and I feel good about it.
Author:  EdLee [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:07 am ]
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Chew Terr wrote:
I recommend "Graded Go Problems for Dan Players Volume 3 - Joseki."
Could you post 1 problem from the book ? I'm considering to buy it. Thanks.
Author:  Chew Terr [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking for Joseki Problem Book
Will do as soon as I, the book, and a non-work computer share a location.
Author:  Nero [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking for Joseki Problem Book
Cool, thanks a lot for the suggestions. I'm going to start with Get Strong at Joseki, it looks like exactly what I wanted.
Author:  Chew Terr [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:52 pm ]
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EdLee wrote:
Chew Terr wrote:
I recommend "Graded Go Problems for Dan Players Volume 3 - Joseki."
Could you post 1 problem from the book ? I'm considering to buy it. Thanks.


Okay, here goes. A bit rusty on diagrams. Here's one that's on the easy end, ish. This is Book one, Chapter Two. Page 70, overall:

Problem 4: Black to play.
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[go]$$Wc Original sequence. Black 4 could also be at 'a' or 'b'. White 5 at 'c' would be steady. (4 elsewhere).
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1 minute = 1-dan


Solution:
Answer to Problem 4
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[go]$$Bc Dia. 1
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[go]$$Bc Dia. 2
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[go]$$Bc Dia. 3.
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Dia. 1 (correct). Whatever he does, Black must play 1 as a probe. If 2, Black extends to 3 and aims at reducing the top, for example, with 'a'. If White 2 at 'b', the idea is to defend tightly with Black 'c'.
Dia. 2 (White plays all out). If Black makes the vague move of 1, sliding at 2 is a superb move.
Dia. 3 (losing points in advance). Starting out with the reducing move of 1 is out of the question. White takes profit at the top with 2 and 4, and Black can't efficiently attack the white group on the right.
Author:  EdLee [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:56 pm ]
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Chew Terr, thanks.
Author:  jts [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking for Joseki Problem Book
Quote:
Okay, here goes. A bit rusty on diagrams.


Herman Hiddema's diagram builder has made this a bit easier: http://hiddema.nl/diagrammer/
Author:  Bill Spight [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking for Joseki Problem Book
Chew Terr wrote:
I recommend "Graded Go Problems for Dan Players Volume 3 - Joseki."


I like this juxtaposition (in bold). ;)

Quote:
Problem 4: Black to play.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc White expands the top with the marked stone. There's a move Black plays before he thinks.
$$ ----------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . O . . . . O . . . . |
$$ . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ . . . . . W . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


1 minute = 1-dan
Author:  bofinken [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking for Joseki Problem Book
It is a matter of taste, but I found the get strong at joseki books not very useful till improve joseki.
I recommenend to look up those josekis that you encounter in your own games in a joseki dictionary. Another way is to watch stronger players games and use the program Kombilo too see what the pros play.
There are a lot of joseki and joseki hamtete, and most of them you will never encounter in your games. So the best way to handle those is to study tesuji instead to improve ones reading.
Just my humble opinion.
Author:  bofinken [ Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking for Joseki Problem Book
While my last post wasn't a book suggestion, I hereby recommend two books:
Whole Board Thinking in Joseki vol1 and vol2.
These are old too, but you study and think about joseki having the whole board in mind, which are fundamental when studying josekis. Directions of play are more important than many joseki variants at least in the kyu range.
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