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 Post subject: Re: Deep Zen vs. Three Japanese Pros in 9X9
Post #21 Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:32 am 
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Mike Novack wrote:
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What sort of machine was Zen running on? It makes a difference in how strongly these programs play.

From the user information of 'Zen19D' on KGS, by its author, Hideki Katoh:
"Zen19D is a version of Zen19, runs on a mini-cluster of 4 PCs (a dual 6-core Xeon X5680/4.4 GHz, a 6-core i7 3930K/4.2 GHz, a 6-core Xeon W3680/4 GHz and a 4-core i7 920/3.4 GHz) connected via a GbE LAN. .......


No, Gowan's question remains unanswered until we confirm that the hardware Zen19D usually runs on was the hardware available for this trial.

If you look at the earlier post I linked to, you will see that Katoh uses the same hardware setup for these competitions as he does no KGS. If you really want to confirm it again, just email him.

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Post #22 Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:43 pm 
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Ohashi posted in his blog a little about the event.

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/minamijyuujisei_1 ... 037?fm=rss

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Post #23 Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:45 pm 
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Since it's short, I thought I would dash off a translation of the article mentioned by oren.

Good morning. On Sunday 25th I played some 9x9 games against Zen.

There were three of us, So Yokoku 8-dan, Ichiriki Ryo 2-dan (the Nakano U18 Cup holder) and myself, and we played six games - two games each, with Black and White.

The games themselves were close affairs but luck was on our side and we won all six games.

Since we thought that taking Black with 7 points komi was horrendous, we expected to win by something like 4-2.

Ichiriki's first game offered some clues, and so I played the second game on the basis of certain inferences, having been able to grasp some of the computer's proclivities.

In the lunch break the three of us had a strategy conference. It looks like it paid off this time.

Humans versus computers 9x9 research is currently being run as a series in Go World as a "9x9 science" corner, and that research helped, too.

You can see the game records here. This article goes into more detail.

Once it was decided to play a match against the computer, various voices were raised and so there was a little pressure, but now we can relax.

That was a brief interlude. Tomorrow I have a real game. The 19x9 board sure looks big now...


I have omitted the links, but the second one is worth pursuing if you are keen on this topic. It's on the Asahi site and gives some specific details of the inferences, the pro strategy and the luck mentioned in the blog above.

The next match is scheduled for March.


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Post #24 Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:53 am 
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That's a nice translation.
But I know that Ohashi is just the author of "9x9 science".

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