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Post #21 Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:20 am 
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Does the new version handle Chinese counting? In the previous version that I have there is a pull-down menu to change the ruleset, but the only option is Japanese. Has anything else been added?

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Post #22 Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:17 am 
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I can no longer see any comments in the SGF files :sad: Anyone else having this issue ?
At first I also thought they were gone, but they are in the info panel -> “positions”, just press cmd+5.

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Post #23 Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:20 pm 
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I believe the FSF takes the position that GPL'd software cannot be distributed on the app store (http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance).

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_App_Store#Regulations

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Post #24 Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:20 pm 
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hyperpape wrote:
I believe the FSF takes the position that GPL'd software cannot be distributed on the app store (http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance).

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_App_Store#Regulations
Yes, that’s the reason why GnuGo and NNGS are not included in the AppStore distribution and have to be downloaded extra and installed as an extension.

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Post #25 Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:04 am 
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Hello,

I am a member of Sente, the authors of Goban, http://www.sente.ch/goban/ .

An update (4.2) has just been released. In addition to several bug fixes it now includes the ability to play against Pachi, a much stronger opponent than GNU Go.

To do so the Goban Extensions package needs to be reinstalled.

As some have already commented this package is necessary because the GPL is not compatible with App Store distribution. (Users should be able to freely update or modify their software, which cannot be done for apps that are signed to be distributed on the Mac App Store.)

We will keep on improving Goban, we have many ideas for that.


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Post #26 Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:34 am 
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Hello,

I would suggest to implement the GTP protocol, in addition to your packages which are easy to install. This would give access to a wealth of different level GTP engines freely available (mogo, Fuego, Orego, neurogo, pachi, several versions of gnugo, amigo, go169, etc.), even if the installation of GTP engines is a little more involved.

http://ricoh51.free.fr/go/engineeng.htm


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Post #27 Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:16 am 
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You can already add GTP and GMP players to Goban. Just specify the path to the executable and the arguments in the two text fields.


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Post #28 Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:28 am 
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marco wrote:
You can already add GTP and GMP players to Goban. Just specify the path to the executable and the arguments in the two text fields.
Uhm, WOT? :shock:

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OK, nice, but not exactly what a user of OS X would expect to have to do. Did I miss any How-To’s and links for all that on the sente.ch site?

Anyway, I’m happy you guys have finally continued to work on Goban!


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Post #29 Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:08 pm 
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Bonobo wrote:
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You can already add GTP and GMP players to Goban. Just specify the path to the executable and the arguments in the two text fields.
Uhm, WOT? :shock:

OK, nice, but not exactly what a user of OS X would expect to have to do.

What would you expect to do? In the Players preference you create a New GTP program, give it a name and set the executable path and the arguments you want to use.

Were thinking that anybody that can compile a GTP go playing program can figure it out. Also seems like the only way to provide a general and flexible way to add any go playing program.
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Did I miss any How-To’s and links for all that on the sente.ch site?

No you did not miss much, there is no documentation at this time. We may start a FAQ if we get FQs. Thanks!


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Post #30 Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:04 am 
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Marco,

This is really a nice feature (it is actually listed among the features on the web page of the app). Would indeed be nice to document it.

To Bonobo: I think this feature is a nice plus for more "experienced" users, in addition to the "easy to install" packages (by experienced I mean in software development not necessarily in go ! :) ). It is unfortunately true that Mac compiled GTP engines are not common. Compiling the sources is not always straightforward, but I really appreciate this to be available. Fuego 1.1 compiled for Mac OS X works for instance, and is a pretty strong opponent (same source as "little go" on ipad). There are more windows exe GTP engine available. I had a try using wine to plug a win binary engine in Goban, but did not work (works under gogui).

Anyway nice app.


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Post #31 Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:31 am 
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Thanks for the explanations, Marco and pleiade67 … I actually do know how to compile stuff on OS (given there are ReadMe files :D ) and/but from your explanations I understand that in this case this is not something I want or need to do. And I’m happy with Pachi … Goban apparently has become a lot stronger now.

Very nice to see this app is back again.

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Post #32 Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:20 am 
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cyndane wrote:
I've downloaded the goban extensions and installed it. How do I play against pachi? I only see GNU go as a possible opponent?


You need to create a new Pachi Player in the Preferences panel.

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Post #33 Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:22 am 
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Bonobo wrote:
Thanks for the explanations, [...]

Very nice to see this app is back again.


Thank you for your feedback

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Post #34 Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:54 pm 
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I can see the comments just fine -- but you may want to remove all Sen:te Goban related preferences from your ~/Library/Preferences folder and restart the app.
That's what I did, and now the app is solid; no crashes, it opens every SGF I throw at it, and everything just works. The developer was very good about keeping in contact and following up on the trouble I reported earlier. The last thing on my wishlist is multi-game SGF files.



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I can no longer see any comments in the SGF files :sad: Anyone else having this issue ?
At first I also thought they were gone, but they are in the info panel -> “positions”, just press cmd+5.
HTH, Tom




Thank you for the replies, but sadly none of these seem to work for me. :sad:

I'm on a Mac OS X ML system and neither the "Positions" nor the "Move" tab show any of the comments.Also, while looking through the moves the application is now crashing quite often.

I'm including a screenshot below of the empty "Moves" tab and the subsequent crash while perusing "Counting Lessons" :

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Post #35 Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:18 pm 
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I have long used the old version of Sen:te Goban to play against Fuego on my Mac. I updated to the new version today, and I can't play Fuego. The program either crashes or simply waits without a move being made. Has anyone managed to successfully run Fuego on the new Sen:te Goban? My version of Fuego is not 100% up-to-date, but it is not old either, I updated something like 3-4 months ago. Any advice would be much appreciated.

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