Why Zen versus Leela? I have to put in the moves by hand
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
... and the winner is Leela Zero at 20 sec per move. (Intel I5 2500k & Nvidia 1080Ti) (Zen did not see the defeat until late in the game.) |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
Game 2: Zen 7 (20 sec. p. move) versus Leela Zero (10 sec. p. move) I like this game very much. An intense battle of the two dargon masters. Leela Zero outplays Zen very nicely and displays quite a Ko fighting strength in this one. How low can I go with the time settings for Leela Zero on my local box? How blessed am I, to have these two master teachers available. (Probably a mistake that Zen 7 was released without GPU support.) |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
5 seconds is to tight for Leela Zero on my box, finally a win for Zen: |
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| Author: | Pippen [ Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
Is it possible you let Zen continue with Black here and LeelaZero with White with at least 30s per move. I wonder how Leela does in a slightly suboptimal fuseki. |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
Why Zen versus Leela? I have to put in the moves by hand
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| Author: | Pippen [ Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
I just would like to know if Leela can win as White against Zen as black in this setup. I thought maybe you could just let them play from move 5 onwards...otherwise it's a little bit complicated.
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
Sorry I am not interested at plays in the middle of the side in the opening stage. Too passive, only corners and approach moves make the cut for me. 
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| Author: | Pippen [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
Gomoto wrote: Too passive It may look like that, but it's actually very aggressive, because the splitting stone supports all kinds of daring maneuvers in the vincinity. |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
Gomoto wrote: Sorry I am not interested at plays in the middle of the side in the opening stage. Too passive, only corners and approach moves make the cut for me. And before I saw them both in the same thread I thought Gomoto might have been the reincarnation of Pippen! |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
Antichinese opening (Not necessary, because chinese opening is bad  )Variation 1 (Antichinese by Leela Zero 10 sec.) |
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| Author: | kdbaby1412 [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
How do you set the time for LeelaZ ? |
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| Author: | Pippen [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
Wow, did LeelaZ play White and win? I am impressed how easypeasy Leela did with such an argueable suboptimal opening. |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
Antichinese debunked by Leela Zero (10 sec.) Black versus Zen 7 (20 sec.) White. Leela Zero shows quite some shinogi abilities to support the early 3-3 invasion. Antichinese Variation 2: |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
lol at 69 "your vital point is my vital point". |
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| Author: | Gomoto [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
I think 69 is quite hard to find, aka it is quite easy to miss  http://ps.waltheri.net/940193 But if your confident to kill ... |
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| Author: | Pippen [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
Leela Zero seems so much stronger than Zen that it can win even with suboptimal openings (or maybe those split fusekis are better than their reputation^^). |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
Pippen wrote: Wow, did LeelaZ play White and win? I am impressed how easypeasy Leela did with such an argueable suboptimal opening. Yeah, but Zen played the enclosure in the bottom right instead of playing in the open corner. Which is what Leela did as Black in the next game. But you really want some self play games. |
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| Author: | kdbaby1412 [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:24 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... | ||
I don't know if this is an error; But leela Zero was winning until move 384 where she filled in her own eyes and lost the group. It was interesting to see that both engines did not even know who is winning. Clearly, W is winning 5.5. Setting for both is 10s/ move AMD Ryzen 1700X , GTX 1600 3GB
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| Author: | Pippen [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
@bill: If we take this setup I bet Leela will win with White, even if 4 is played at 'a' (which I think is a better place for 4 by the way). |
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| Author: | sorin [ Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Leela Zero versus Zen 7 ... |
kdbaby1412 wrote: How do you set the time for LeelaZ ? See this post for details: viewtopic.php?p=228577#p228577 In that example, I set it to 31 (which seems to result in actually 30 seconds, according to the logs). |
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