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I wonder what "and so on" means
The usual suspects have been playing on the usual servers, no ? 
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| Author: | Bonobo [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | “Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition” June 23 + 24, 2017 |
From the “Computer-go” mailing list: Quote: Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition will be held in June 23 and 24. 11 programs will play. 4 from China. Fine Art, and so on. 3 from Japan. AQ, Raynz, Aya. 2 from Korea. DolBaram, Baduki. 1 from Belgium. Leela Zero 1 from America. ELF OpenGo Top 8 programs will play round-robin on FoxGo next month. Top 4 programs will play final late July. Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition (in Chinese) http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2018-06-21 ... 6598.shtml 2018 Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition (in Chinese) https://txwq.qq.com/act/game/index.html Rule http://weiqi.qq.com/special/109.html I wonder what “and so on” means … and I didn't know that Leela Zero was Belgian, I’d have thought she were Italian. (h/t Ingo Althöfer) |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: “Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition” June 23 + 24, 2017 |
I wonder if Elf means the converted weights on the Leela Zero engine or the proper Elf engine; the latter is likely a fair bit stronger. |
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:06 am ] |
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Quote: I wonder what "and so on" means The usual suspects have been playing on the usual servers, no ?
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| Author: | Bonobo [ Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:11 am ] |
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EdLee wrote: Quote: I wonder what "and so on" means The usual suspects have been playing on the usual servers, no ? Uhm, I must confess that I’m not really informed (guess you mean the Fox server? Never been there), I just passed this on But on FB “Huỳnh Nhật Tân” answered: Huỳnh Nhật Tân wrote: FineArt, Golaxy, Northern Lights - 北极光 (I don't know this AI) and Octopus
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| Author: | EdLee [ Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:34 pm ] |
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Hi Tom, yea, Fox, Tygem and other Chinese or Korean servers.
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: “Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition” June 23 + 24, 2017 |
Some results and records: == Round 1 == FineArt beat Golaxy LeelaZero beat AQ Elf OpenGo beat BADUKi == Round 2 == Golaxy beat DolBaram Fine Art beat LeelaZero == Round 3 == Golaxy beat AQ LeelaZero beat Octopus FineArt beat Elf OpenGo in under 100 moves == Round 4 == Elf OpenGo beat Golaxy FineArt beat Octopus LeelaZero beat Northern Light Raynz beat Aya AQ beat DolBaram? (or Baduki, twas Korean) |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: “Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition” June 23 + 24, 2017 |
== Round 5 == LeelaZero beat Elf! Apparently Elf is the version Fox server have been running online. Golaxy beat Baduki. == Round 6 == LeelaZero beat Golaxy! FineArt beat Raynz Elf beat Octopus == Round 7 == FineArt beat Aurora Golaxy beat Raynz LeelaZero beat Baduki AQ beat Elf. Unexpected, big semeai at the end. DolBaram beat Aya |
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| Author: | Amtiskaw [ Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: “Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition” June 23 + 24, 2017 |
Apparently the Leela Zero net is an unofficial 40 block (compared to the normal 15 block). |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: “Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition” June 23 + 24, 2017 |
Final results of the prelims (top 8 progress): 1st: FineArt, 7 wins (out of 7). 2nd: Leela Zero, 6 wins 3rd: Elf Open Go, 4 wins 4th: Golaxy, 4 wins 5th: AQ, 4 wins 6th: Octopus (Leela Master), 4 wins 7th: Aurora, 3 wins 8th: BADUKi, 3 wins 9th: DolBaram, 3 wins 10th: Raynz, 2 wins 11th: Aya, 2 wins |
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| Author: | jokkebk [ Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: “Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition” June 23 + 24, 2017 |
Amazing performance by Leela Zero in this one. I went through its games with Lizzie and Leela Zero #150 weights, and wondered how there were quite many fully unexpected moves from Leela, and it seemed Leela was able to turn the tables in several of the games that LZ150 thought quite surely lost. So the 40b network trained from scratch *if I understood the Github thread correctly) using Leela Zero games (with some ELF thrown in the mix) is impressively strong. I'm rooting for Leela Zero to get into final 4 and let's hope the semifinal is not against Fineart! 
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: “Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition” June 23 + 24, 2017 |
The 2nd stage of whittling 8 bots down to 4 is currently underway on Fox go server. It's all-play-all, with a game as black and white each. There's some details on https://github.com/gcp/leela-zero/issues/1554. Here are a few games. LZ lost to Elf, reversal of result in prelims. Very strange ending, LZ played a duff ko threat that was 1 point left of the correct ko threat. I believe the game is played with gtp rather than manual relay so a misclick shouldn't be possible. LZ beat Baduki LZ lost both games to FineArt, here's one Golaxy, which did perhaps surprisingly badly in the prelims given how much it was trumpeted before, beat FineArt in a weirdly short game where FA seemed to have ladder delusions, which I wasn't aware was a weakness of FA. |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: “Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition” June 23 + 24, 2017 |
So according to my machine translation of this chinese website Semifinals: FineArt beat AQ 3-0 Golaxy beat Elf OpenGo 3-2 Final: FineArt beat Golaxy 7-0. So AQ ended up above LeelaZero in the 8 player round to decide top 4. There were unfortunately some misclicks (not using automatic move relay). Here's LZ losing to AQ (from https://github.com/gcp/leela-zero/issues/1554), AQ author said he tripled computer power vs LZ: LZ win: A Golaxy vs Elf game in which Elf didn't realize it was dead as Golaxy's surrounding group was alive be double ko seki, so a human adjudicator ended it! |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: “Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition” June 23 + 24, 2017 |
All 7 games of the FineArt vs Golaxy final are in go4go at http://www.go4go.net/go/games/twoplayer/1819/1992, I liked this example of ko threat creation and amplification from FineArt around move 75, I had previously wondered if dumb bots without abstract reasoning (as I presume FineArt is) can discover such concepts (or at least play moves which we can understand with these concepts, whether some bit of the network corresponds to this is a much harder question), the answer is yes. |
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