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Post #161 Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:05 pm 
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Limeztone san and Grünauer san,

Now I could reproduce the issue.
The problem is a mistake how to treat "undo" of pass in the engine.

I will fix the issue in the next version.

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Post #162 Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:28 am 
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y_ich-san,

I have some feature requests.

1) Would it be possible to have a more flexible way to switch between game mode and study mode? At the moment, when playing a game, you have to resign to enter study mode. It would be good to be able to enter study mode at the current position, explore a bit, then switch back to game mode at the previous position.

2) In study mode, the statistics on the stones use an extremely small font. The win rate is easy to read, but I cannot read the numbers below at all, even on a high-resolution iPad display, even with a magnifying glass. For example, in the attached screenshot, the blue move has "-0.1±22". Could you put them on two lines (that is, "-0.1" in the middle, "±22" at the bottom" in a much bigger font?

Also I don't know what the numbers mean. Could you please explain what "-0.1±22" means?

3) Is there a way to see KataGo's score estimation? I don't mean the final ownership estimation; that works well by tapping at the scale icon. I mean the lead - "the number of points needed to make the game fair", as lightvector explained in the KataGo v1.3 release notes.

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Post #163 Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:59 am 
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Grünauer san,

I will consider about your requests.

About the meaning of "-0.1±22" and question 3,
“-0.1” is exactly the “lead” in the document.
And “±22“ is its standard deviation.

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Post #164 Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:58 am 
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y_ich san,

I also have a request. No it's more of an suggestion.

I think that it would be very useful have simple way to temporary hide the search information in the study mode.
To be able to first think for your self and then look what kata thinks. Eg "studying corner patterns".


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I earlier wished to be able to set a cap for the number of visits.
That is no longer important for me, I'm finished with that type of "research".

And if one would choose between implementing at cap for visits or playouts.
I think that it's in general more useful to be able to cap the number of playouts.

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Post #165 Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:39 am 
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Limeztone san,

I will consider about your request, too.

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Post #166 Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:36 am 
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A playout/visit limit, perhaps even weaker networks, would be appreciated by me. I would love to be able to have a match where I have a chance of winning with a weaker network and then have this analyzed with a stronger network.

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Post #167 Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:43 am 
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Satorian wrote:
A playout/visit limit, perhaps even weaker networks, would be appreciated by me. I would love to be able to have a match where I have a chance of winning with a weaker network and then have this analyzed with a stronger network.


There are various networks available. And you can always reduce the number of seconds per move (for game mode) in the settings.

In study mode you can have it analyze a position for as long as you want.

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Post #168 Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:18 pm 
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Marcel Grünauer wrote:
There are various networks available. And you can always reduce the number of seconds per move (for game mode) in the settings.


I know. I'm just very weak though, so those settings aren't enough for me. :lol:

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Post #169 Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:57 pm 
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Satorian wrote:
Marcel Grünauer wrote:
There are various networks available. And you can always reduce the number of seconds per move (for game mode) in the settings.


I know. I'm just very weak though, so those settings aren't enough for me. :lol:


Even with only one playout, Leela Zero is very strong. Have you tried http://leela-one-playout.herokuapp.com/ ? The "Bender" bot (one playout) just beat me (EGF 3k) by 28.5 points; maybe I'll have more luck with "Fry" (also one playout but with more randomness).

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Post #170 Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:45 pm 
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Satorian san,

If you have a Mac, you can convert any Leela Zero weights for the app.
https://github.com/new3Rs/a_master_of_g ... /README.md

You must win the early-stage Leela Zero^^

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Post #171 Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:21 am 
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y_ich san,

I noticed an odd bug that should be easy to fix when it's located.

If I start up the app from scratch (shut down first).
And then change to the 9x9 grid. (must be in 19x19 or 13x13 when started)
Followed by setting the handicap to two (2).
The the app will crash as soon I try to move the selection.


There is a workaround:
Start the app.
Select 9x9
THEN start study mode.
Exit study mode.
THEN change handicap

I think that should give you enough to pinpoint the bug.

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Post #172 Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:44 am 
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Limeztone san,

I reproduced the bug and fixed it.
The next version should solve the issue.

Thank you for your cooperations!

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Post #173 Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:25 am 
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y_ich san,

I would like to report an other small bug.
When one save a game with the share button, it seams that the rule set is always written as chinese even if the game was played under japanese or tromp-taylor rules.

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Limez
PS The move number is not incremented (in the display) for pass moves.
PS You have forgotten an L in "Tromp-Taylor" in the settings.

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Post #174 Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:06 am 
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I just want to say to every one that is reading this forum that y_ich sans app is a great app and worth every penny.

So don’t be scared that it’s a flawed app because I report minor issues!
It works great and y_ich san has promptly fixed anything reported.

I just want to write this as my error reports might make the app look less good.

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Post #175 Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:24 pm 
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Limeztone san,

1. About the rule in SGF, I reproduced it. I will fix it in the next version.
2. About the move number of pass, I reproduced it. I will fix it in the next version.
3. About typo, the latest version fixed the issue. Please update the app.

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Post #176 Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:10 am 
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y_ich san,

How many threads are used when I use KataGo?

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Post #177 Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:22 am 
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Limeztone san,

One.

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Post #178 Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:18 am 
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y_ich san,

When playing I sometimes click at the wrong place and it's quite easy to undo.
Unless one play with zero thinking time for the AI.
Then it can be cumbersome to actually perform the undo.

If one touch the pass "button" by misstake (with the palm) which is easy as the edges of the iPad Air are quite thin.
Then one is stuck as pass is impossible to undo.

Therefor I wish for un undo "button".
Or an confirmation popup for pass.
Or maybe move pass just to the right of Resign.

Personally I think an undo button is best as it makes clear that undo is possible.

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Limez

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Post #179 Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:23 pm 
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Limeztone san,

Thank you for reporting your issue!

Currently, no undo button is my design decision.
I will consider improving your case (zero thinking time).

(Personally (not as developer), I recommend to enjoy touch miss. It must lead you to unknown wonderful world.)

Thank you!

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Post #180 Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:12 am 
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y_ich wrote:
(Personally (not as developer), I recommend to enjoy touch miss. It must lead you to unknown wonderful world.)
Ok, no undo button.
But could you please add an confirmation popup for the pass move then?
As there is no way to undo a pass move?
I think that I will have a hard time to enjoy passing by mistake against a monster AI :-)

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