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 Post subject: Weak engine to play against for Sabaki
Post #1 Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:46 pm 
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Hallo!

Is there any "weak" engine for Sabaki available? One you can play against?

Thanks a lot!

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Post #2 Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:10 pm 
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Go players usually call go engines "bots" (I suppose from robot => gobot => bot). Some include modern AI with that term and others don't (I don't).

I read in several places that the 2008 "Aya" bot is fairly suitable to DDK players https://senseis.xmp.net/?Aya.
Link to zip file with executable and other assets like a help file: http://www.yss-aya.com/aya634e.zip.
Aya supports GTP (Go Text Protocol), so you should be able to use it in Sabaki.

Aya's level is about 8k KGS (comparable to about 1400 Elo in chess according to my estimates), so when you are about 12k KGS, you may need to take some handicap to beat it.

Note: Don't confuse the 2008 "Aya" bot with the 2013 "AyaMC" bot from the same programmer, because AyaMC is already 2-3d KGS level (comparable to about 2000 Elo in chess according to my estimates)

Caveat: I think most go players would recommend against playing bots exclusively, because it doesn't prepare you well for human opponents.
Bots tend to have exploitable weaknesses and these are different and more predictable than the weaknesses of human players of the same level.
Also, you'll find much more variation of style in human players. So when you get used to Aya's steady playing style, you may be ill prepared to face the more extreme playing styles of human players of the same level.

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Post #3 Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:18 pm 
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Depending on your strength, you might want to use one of the settings below, using gtp4zen ( https://rb.gy/kx2ilb ) and katago.
zen7 17k -t1 -r3 -s200 -n0 -o4.0 -p0.2

zen7 16k -t1 -r3 -s200 -n0 -o3.0 -p0.25

zen7 15k -t1 -r3 -s300 -n0 -o2.4 -p0.3

zen7 14k -t1 -r3 -s300 -n0 -o2.2 -p0.3

zen6 13k -z6 -r3 -t1 -s300 -n0 -o0.1 -p0.5

zen6 12k -z6 -r5 -t1 -s400 -n0 -o0.1 -p0.6

zen6 11k -z6 -r5 -t1 -s500 -n0 -o0.2 -p0.65

zen6 10k -z6 -r5 -t1 -s600 -n0 -o0.3 -p0.7

zen6 9k -z6 -t1 -s700 -n0 -o0.4 -p0.75

zen6 8k -z6 -t1 -s800 -n0 -o0.5 -p0.8

zen6 7k -z6 -t1 -s1000 -n0 -o0.7 -p0.8

zen6 6k -z6 -t1 -s1500 -n0 -o0.9 -p0.9

zen6 5k -z6 -t1 -s2000 -n0 -o1 -p1

zen6 4k -z6 -t1 -s2500 -n1 -o0.2 -p1

zen6 3k -z6 -t1 -s3000 -n1 -o0.3 -p1 (leela11 3k -g -b 0 -t 1 -p 500 --noponder --komiadjust)

zen6 2k -z6 -t1 -s3000 -n1 -o0.5 -p1 (leela11 2k -g -b 0 -t 1 -p 800 --noponder --komiadjust)

zen6 1k -z6 -r15 -t1 -s3000 -n1 -o1 -p1 (leela11 1k -g -b 0 -t 1 -p 1200 --noponder --komiadjust)

Kata20b 1d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 1 playout

Kata20b 2d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 2 playouts

Kata20b 3d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 4 playouts

Kata 4d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 6 playouts

Kata 5d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 8 playouts

Kata 6d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 10 playouts

Kata 7d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 12 playouts

Kata 8d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 14 playouts

Kata 9d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 16 playouts

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Post #4 Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:31 pm 
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go4thewin wrote:
Depending on your strength, you might want to use one of the settings below, using either zen 7, zen 6, or katago.
zen7 17k -t1 -r3 -s200 -n0 -o4.0 -p0.2

zen7 16k -t1 -r3 -s200 -n0 -o3.0 -p0.25

zen7 15k -t1 -r3 -s300 -n0 -o2.4 -p0.3

zen7 14k -t1 -r3 -s300 -n0 -o2.2 -p0.3

zen6 13k -z6 -r3 -t1 -s300 -n0 -o0.1 -p0.5

zen6 12k -z6 -r5 -t1 -s400 -n0 -o0.1 -p0.6

zen6 11k -z6 -r5 -t1 -s500 -n0 -o0.2 -p0.65

zen6 10k -z6 -r5 -t1 -s600 -n0 -o0.3 -p0.7

zen6 9k -z6 -t1 -s700 -n0 -o0.4 -p0.75

zen6 8k -z6 -t1 -s800 -n0 -o0.5 -p0.8

zen6 7k -z6 -t1 -s1000 -n0 -o0.7 -p0.8

zen6 6k -z6 -t1 -s1500 -n0 -o0.9 -p0.9

zen6 5k -z6 -t1 -s2000 -n0 -o1 -p1

zen6 4k -z6 -t1 -s2500 -n1 -o0.2 -p1

zen6 3k -z6 -t1 -s3000 -n1 -o0.3 -p1 (leela11 3k -g -b 0 -t 1 -p 500 --noponder --komiadjust)

zen6 2k -z6 -t1 -s3000 -n1 -o0.5 -p1 (leela11 2k -g -b 0 -t 1 -p 800 --noponder --komiadjust)

zen6 1k -z6 -r15 -t1 -s3000 -n1 -o1 -p1 (leela11 1k -g -b 0 -t 1 -p 1200 --noponder --komiadjust)

Kata20b 1d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 1 playout

Kata20b 2d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 2 playouts

Kata20b 3d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 4 playouts

Kata 4d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 6 playouts

Kata 5d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 8 playouts

Kata 6d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 10 playouts

Kata 7d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 12 playouts

Kata 8d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 14 playouts

Kata 9d resign threshold 90% 1 thread 16 playouts


Thanks a lot! Which file should I use to make these changes?

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Post #5 Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:27 pm 
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Not exactly Sabaki, but I think KaTrain might be helpful for you, since you can play against a weaker, rank-tunable version of KataGo.


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Post #6 Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:41 am 
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inbae wrote:
Not exactly Sabaki, but I think KaTrain might be helpful for you, since you can play against a weaker, rank-tunable version of KataGo.

WOW, thanks for the link. This is awesome!!!


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Post #7 Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:54 am 
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inbae wrote:
Not exactly Sabaki, but I think KaTrain might be helpful for you, since you can play against a weaker, rank-tunable version of KataGo.

NOW THIS IS INDEED AWESOME, thanks for the hint. A very usable UI!
https://github.com/sanderland/katrain/releases

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