Amigo wrote:
I have never seen such a short game!
how do you like this game?
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| Author: | And [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: KataGo Distributed Training and new networks |
Amigo wrote: I have never seen such a short game! how do you like this game? https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?p=271711#p271711 |
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| Author: | Amigo [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: KataGo Distributed Training and new networks |
at first glance it seems impossible! 
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| Author: | akigo [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: KataGo Distributed Training and new networks |
Keep in mind that these matches were run with only 10 playouts. This is not enough for complex fighting. No matter how strong a network is, there will be reading errors in such a fight when limited to 10 playouts. Therefore such a fight (as the flying knife joseki here) may decide the game very quickly ... |
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| Author: | And [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: KataGo Distributed Training and new networks |
akigo wrote: Keep in mind that these matches were run with only 10 playouts. This is not enough for complex fighting. No matter how strong a network is, there will be reading errors in such a fight when limited to 10 playouts. Therefore such a fight (as the flying knife joseki here) may decide the game very quickly ... please write in more detail what are these "reading errors" |
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| Author: | And [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:15 am ] | |||
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11 and 12 game BadukAI - Sabaki 0:2 (4:8)
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| Author: | And [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:35 am ] | |||
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20 games KataGo (40b s1110 maxPlayouts 10, numSearchThreads 1, japanese) - gtp4zen (--jpn_rules -t4 -r10 -s6000 -n3 -o1.0 -p0.75). 18:2 zen settings correspond to 9d
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| Author: | akigo [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: KataGo Distributed Training and new networks |
And wrote: please write in more detail what are these "reading errors" In a complex fight there may be a variation that "looks good" for black after 10 moves, but inevitably leads to black's whole group being captured after 20 moves. If KataGo is limited to 10 playouts, it can't see that bad outcome, therefore it might erroneously choose that variation as black, thereby commiting a big blunder. If a human did this, we would say: "He/she didn't read deeply enough" or "He/she commited a reading error". That's why I used this term. |
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| Author: | And [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: KataGo Distributed Training and new networks |
it doesn't depend on the opponent, i.e. 10 playouts in any case can lead to reading errors, or only against a strong opponent? |
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| Author: | And [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:36 am ] | |||
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13 and 14 game BadukAI - Sabaki 1:1 (5:9)
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| Author: | akigo [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: KataGo Distributed Training and new networks |
And wrote: it doesn't depend on the opponent, i.e. 10 playouts in any case can lead to reading errors, or only against a strong opponent? The reading errors may occur against any opponent, but against weak opponents they will often not matter, as they happen only in complex fighting situations. And in such situations a weak opponent will often not be able to find the move that punishes the error. |
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| Author: | And [ Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: KataGo Distributed Training and new networks |
it means that a person still has a chance to defeat KataGo! and what value of playouts will probably be sufficient? and it depends on the network size (10...60 blocks)?
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| Author: | And [ Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:28 am ] | |||
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15 and 16 game BadukAI - Sabaki 0:2 (5:11)
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| Author: | akigo [ Mon Mar 21, 2022 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: KataGo Distributed Training and new networks |
And wrote: and what value of playouts will probably be sufficient? and it depends on the network size (10...60 blocks)? I can't judge that. But I can report that they use 500 playouts on katagotraining.org for their rating games. |
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| Author: | And [ Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: KataGo Distributed Training and new networks |
@akigo thanks a lot! |
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| Author: | And [ Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:40 am ] | |||
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17 and 18 game BadukAI - Sabaki 0:2 (5:13)
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| Author: | And [ Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:49 am ] | |||
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19 and 20 game BadukAI - Sabaki 0:2 (5:15)
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| Author: | And [ Fri Mar 25, 2022 6:29 pm ] | |||
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21 and 22 game BadukAI - Sabaki 1:1 (6:16)
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| Author: | And [ Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:39 am ] | |||
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23 and 24 game BadukAI - Sabaki 2:0 after 24 games BadukAI (40b optimized version 1.13.2, maxPlayouts 10, numSearchThreads 1) - Sabaki (40b s1110 maxPlayouts 10, numSearchThreads 1) 8:16
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| Author: | And [ Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:55 pm ] | |||
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BadukAI 1.14 (40b optimized version 1.13.2, maxPlayouts 20, numSearchThreads 1) - Sabaki (40b s1110 maxPlayouts 10, numSearchThreads 1, GraphSearch) 1 and 2 game 2:0
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| Author: | And [ Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:44 pm ] | |||
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3 and 4 game BadukAI - Sabaki 2:0 (4:0)
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