Life In 19x19 :: Sphere-Go

That bought a smile to my face. It looks very cool, and what's more, if it is flexible, the pieces will be fixed in place and able to be used on journeys, and so on. What a great idea.

I'm not sure that they need to be magnetic, as I would think that having spheres slotted into other spheres would sufficiently prevent them moving around.

Edit: I see that you imagine the board to be the magnetic bit. I would be a bit concerned about this, because the balls would be easy to lose, and it would be difficult to roll the board up because the balls would stick to each other. I would prefer a non-magnetic board with some system of wires to keep the board together, like a beaded car seat cover.

My only concern is I find the board harder to read because the intersections are "topological" rather than a black grid.

I like the idea and welcome the innovation. I was just wondering. With this amount of magnets, what would the total weight of a full set be? It seems that might restrict the portable nature of this sphere-go set. But nice idea, please post some pictures when you're done.

Your concerns are also mine:
It takes some time to construct the board out of the magnets, I could live with that, but the readability of the board concerns me more. I'd like to hear more opinions on that.

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Maybe different coloured balls surrounding the star points? Like a light metallic blue? also experimenting with different sized stones so that they feel natural. How about a slightly darker colour sphere for the board edges? Since the intersections are "inside" the spheres, the first and last sphere columns/rows are technically the space between the physical edge and first line in a flat board.

Yes, that seems better to me. But, there is certainly a balance to get, isn't there, between having something of minimalist beauty and maybe compromising this to enhance readability.

How does it look without the border?

I wonder how it would look with a darker background. Would this make the points stand out a bit more in the model?

Pretty impressive, but, to be honest, I fear my eyes would turn inwards if I’d play it … for my eyes it’s too bright, there are too many light reflexes, and with all the roundings it looks quite confusing to me.

Author:	Asmodeus [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:05 am ]
Post subject:	Sphere-Go
I thought of ways to make a Go-set portable and this unique and simple set is the result. Thought I'd share it with you all. It consists of the "board" that is made of 400 magnetic spheres (10mm) and the (non-magnetic) "stones" spheres (8mm). I'll realize the plans in about a month or so when I have the time for it and post some pictures here then. But ..untill then: Please let me know what you think of it! EDIT: Scroll down to see the finished board. Attachment: 5.jpg [ 590.06 KiB \| Viewed 14905 times ] Attachment: 2.jpg [ 608.5 KiB \| Viewed 14905 times ] Attachment: 1.jpg [ 337.22 KiB \| Viewed 14905 times ] [admin] Extra-wide pic placed in hide tags for those who have narrow screens. -JB [/admin]

Author:	Jujube [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:27 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
That bought a smile to my face. It looks very cool, and what's more, if it is flexible, the pieces will be fixed in place and able to be used on journeys, and so on. What a great idea. I'm not sure that they need to be magnetic, as I would think that having spheres slotted into other spheres would sufficiently prevent them moving around. Edit: I see that you imagine the board to be the magnetic bit. I would be a bit concerned about this, because the balls would be easy to lose, and it would be difficult to roll the board up because the balls would stick to each other. I would prefer a non-magnetic board with some system of wires to keep the board together, like a beaded car seat cover. My only concern is I find the board harder to read because the intersections are "topological" rather than a black grid.

Author:	Asmodeus [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:53 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
Jujube wrote: That bought a smile to my face. It looks very cool, and what's more, if it is flexible, the pieces will be fixed in place and able to be used on journeys, and so on. What a great idea. I'm not sure that they need to be magnetic, as I would think that having spheres slotted into other spheres would sufficiently prevent them moving around. Edit: I see that you imagine the board to be the magnetic bit. I would be a bit concerned about this, because the balls would be easy to lose, and it would be difficult to roll the board up because the balls would stick to each other. I would prefer a non-magnetic board with some system of wires to keep the board together, like a beaded car seat cover. My only concern is I find the board harder to read because the intersections are "topological" rather than a black grid. Thanks )) I'm glad you like it. I thought about making the board out of wooden hemispheres but then I'd have to find a way to make them stick together like you mentioned and magnets were the solution. I'm not worried of loosing board-spheres, they're pretty cheap and stick together, and if the stones-spheres are ferromagnetic you wouldn't loose them either although they would be harder to remove from the board. The whole idea of the thing was to be able to put everything in a small container and be on the way. Your concerns are also mine: It takes some time to construct the board out of the magnets, I could live with that, but the readability of the board concerns me more. I'd like to hear more opinions on that.

Author:	Hushfield [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
I like the idea and welcome the innovation. I was just wondering. With this amount of magnets, what would the total weight of a full set be? It seems that might restrict the portable nature of this sphere-go set. But nice idea, please post some pictures when you're done.

Author:	Asmodeus [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:16 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
Hushfield wrote: I like the idea and welcome the innovation. I was just wondering. With this amount of magnets, what would the total weight of a full set be? It seems that might restrict the portable nature of this sphere-go set. But nice idea, please post some pictures when you're done. Thanks. Good thing you brought that up. I'll let you know when I make it. (Not in the mood to calculate the weight right now) I guess I thought about the compactness more than about the weight. [admin] Pic removed for being in violation of the TOS. -JB [/admin]

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Author:	Jujube [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:20 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
Quote: Your concerns are also mine: It takes some time to construct the board out of the magnets, I could live with that, but the readability of the board concerns me more. I'd like to hear more opinions on that. Maybe different coloured balls surrounding the star points? Like a light metallic blue? also experimenting with different sized stones so that they feel natural. How about a slightly darker colour sphere for the board edges? Since the intersections are "inside" the spheres, the first and last sphere columns/rows are technically the space between the physical edge and first line in a flat board.

Author:	Asmodeus [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
Jujube wrote: Quote: Your concerns are also mine: It takes some time to construct the board out of the magnets, I could live with that, but the readability of the board concerns me more. I'd like to hear more opinions on that. Maybe different coloured balls surrounding the star points? Like a light metallic blue? also experimenting with different sized stones so that they feel natural. How about a slightly darker colour sphere for the board edges? Since the intersections are "inside" the spheres, the first and last sphere columns/rows are technically the space between the physical edge and first line in a flat board. Ok. I'll think about it. Just keep the ideas coming. Pic here: Attachment: 6.jpg [ 436.83 KiB \| Viewed 14866 times ] [admin] Extra-wide pic placed in hide tags for those who have narrow screens. -JB [/admin]

Author:	Jujube [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
Yes, that seems better to me. But, there is certainly a balance to get, isn't there, between having something of minimalist beauty and maybe compromising this to enhance readability. How does it look without the border? I wonder how it would look with a darker background. Would this make the points stand out a bit more in the model?

Author:	Asmodeus [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
Jujube wrote: Yes, that seems better to me. But, there is certainly a balance to get, isn't there, between having something of minimalist beauty and maybe compromising this to enhance readability. How does it look without the border? I wonder how it would look with a darker background. Would this make the points stand out a bit more in the model? Exactly! Balance! You read my thoughts. (Also: I don't want to paint the damn things) I think I came up with a compromise. 4mm rods that fit in the space underneath a stone on a star-point. Maybe copper or black * ? I also attatched some pics of the materials I intend to use (the spheres for the board are * plated 10mm, black stones are obsidian and white stones magnesite 8mm) As for the background: I'm using an old version of SketchUp (I downloaded it while Google owned the program, It's THAT old) and I have no idea how to change it. I can send you the sketchup file if you want me to. Maybe I'll make a new model with fancy textures and stuff in Maya if I find the time but untill then the quick and dirty sketchup model will suffice. Attachment: 8.jpg [ 676.17 KiB \| Viewed 14817 times ] Attachment: 7-materials.jpg [ 442.15 KiB \| Viewed 14817 times ] Thanks for putting the pics in a hide * Admin! Hope it works without your help this time (if not; thanks again) I NEED MORE INPUT PLEASE. YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO COMMENT. BE CRUEL.

Author:	DeFlow [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:30 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
A beautiful and innovative idea! The aesthetic is futuristic and elegant at the same time. I worry about the stability of the board if it's made out of separate magnetic spheres though. If one sphere slips from the grid during a game all progress will be lost. Maybe the solution Jujube suggested would be better. The cost of materials would go down a bit if you would not use separate magnets and there would be less set-up time as well. The only downside is more labor to attach the board-spheres together (using wire maybe?).

Author:	daal [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:48 am ]
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I like how it emphasizes the fact that adjacent stones are connected and that diagonally opposed stones are not. It does seem a bit busy visually though, with all those spheres and their shadows.

Author:	jug [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
I find it hard to read the stones (basically viewing "spheres" on other spheres), and probably even harder if the board-spheres are not contrasting both colors (B + W), e.g. B/W + grey or metallic spheres. The idea to use spheres to build the board is good to make it easy to transport. The closest so far using a magnetic approach are half-split magnetic boards, but still there are not as compact. But actually what would be the problem in using (magnetic) cubes or boxes (with smaller height) as tiles to make up a board? Sure some people like the board having a certain height, but even with half the height, it makes the material to transport less than the spheres I guess. Also with "cubes" (or smaller boxes) you can draw a real grid on them (just need some special ones for the edges and corners, perhaps with some spares if some are lost). The "board"-feeling would be more real (less disturbing), and the advantage of the spheres (being able to build smaller boards) would be there as well. For optimization some of the tiles could even be a bit bigger (2x2, 2x3, 3x3, etc) to make up a board faster than with single tiles.

Author:	Bonobo [ Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:55 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
Interesting, though I imagine it to be quite distracting, with that many marbles … Reminds me of how I once (must’ve been in the early 80s) wanted to create a Go board made of a copper sheet with 361 hemispherical dents in it and using B and W marbles as stones … but I never carried that out. Good luck with this, I’ll be watching Greetings, Tom

Author:	Asmodeus [ Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:42 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
Thanks for all the comments, I'll post some pictures and a YouTube video of the finished board next month or so with comments of the people that will have played with it. Feel free to build one just like it yourself (maybe you're faster than me) and post some pics. More comments are appreciated.

Author:	Asmodeus [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
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Author:	Saproxylic [ Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:19 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
It sure looks fancy! Idea is charming indeed! I'm not a big specialist on magnets, but, if the magnets you are planning to use are like the spherical magnets used in those magnetic bead toys, it actually requires a certain level skill to arrange those spherical magnets in a square formation where all the centers of the beads are aligned, they tend to naturally stick in rows that are 1/2 diameter off, it took me a good while just to figure out how to put together a 6x6 square reliably (I might not be super bright, but the task deffz was not trivial), and it does get a lot more unstable as it grows bigger from my experience. I kinda fear that it would escalate in 2 puzzles in one, first putting the board together and than a game of go. (that has it's own appeal at times) Anyway, I would love to see the results!

Author:	bogiesan [ Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
You don't need to build it out of wooden spheres. You just need a surface made of hemispheres. That can be achieved (not easily) with a router cutting 38, 90-degree coves; 19 north to south, 19 south to north, 19 east to west, 19 west to east. The hemispherical shapes will not be as close together as you might want, though. there must be room for the edge of the router bit to clear. Hmm. That leads us to truncated cones or pyramids but truncated pyramids can be achieved with a bevel router bit scribing 19 lines.

Author:	Asmodeus [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:05 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
The whole bundle weighs 4 pounds (1841g)... Attachment: 2014-09-08 14.21.57.jpg [ 652.26 KiB \| Viewed 14379 times ] ...but it's pretty compact... Attachment: 2014-09-08 14.33.14.jpg [ 396.92 KiB \| Viewed 14379 times ] ...and the construction of the board is easy and takes about 3 minutes... Attachment: 2014-09-08 14.39.20.jpg [ 593.29 KiB \| Viewed 14379 times ] ...I could also place the finished board between the pages of a magazine into my briefcase if I didn't have the 3 minutes. I once read somewhere that if space aliens played a game it would surely be Go. I think this is my guess what their board would look like. I'll introduce the "Sphere-Go" set to my Go-club in two days and maybe record a game on video and write about their reactions to it here.

Author:	Bonobo [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:17 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
Pretty impressive, but, to be honest, I fear my eyes would turn inwards if I’d play it … for my eyes it’s too bright, there are too many light reflexes, and with all the roundings it looks quite confusing to me.

Author:	Asmodeus [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:28 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Sphere-Go
Bonobo wrote: Pretty impressive, but, to be honest, I fear my eyes would turn inwards if I’d play it … for my eyes it’s too bright, there are too many light reflexes, and with all the roundings it looks quite confusing to me. I think you're right about that. It does have too many reflexes and I'm afraid it will be confusing to play too. Although the reflexes are a bit exaggerated in the pictures and it's not that bad in real life. I'll tell you how it is to play it in a few days. Thanks for the comment.