I want the signature of Napoleon, Hitler, William the Conqueror, Isabel Castilian and Artem Kachanovsky
P.S - the signature is very important because it gives you the will that you are not such a loser.
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| Author: | chiwito [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What is a signature worth to you? |
hyperpape wrote: chiwito: I'd be curious about any facts you'd share on those individuals. Also, do you know of any kind of written history of Go in America, or do you get that information mostly by chance while collecting associated books and papers? In between. I've been reading articles in places like Go World, Go Review, and the American Go Journal for nearly thirty years, along with books such as Go: More than a Game, by Peter Shotwell. While I have a very dodgy memory, I've run into a lot of material over the years and some of it stuck. Also, the history of go in America is only a century or so old; some of the older players who were aroud when I was a young one had been young players themselves when major individuals in that history were still around. The Berkeley, East Bay, and San Francisco go clubs were good places to encounter living history [probably still are]. People in those clubs were still making go history at the time, such as creating IGS. As far as the specific folks I mentioned in my post, I met them or their heirs through book collecting. A dozen or so years ago, the American Go Journal did a nice article on my go book collection [along with a coolaceous picture of my wife's cat playing go]. Roger Newlander contacted me by email. He mentioned that back in the 1950s, when there were very few go books available in English, he had arranged to have three of them translated. He gave me the inpression that he had only done this for his own use, and that the two copies he had, the original in loose-leaf binders with pasted diagrams and one "printed" [mimeographed or something] bound copy, were all that existed. I later found out that he had presumably done a few more copies, as there was some kind of dispute and then settlement between him and the AGA over his selling them. That was briefly mentioned in one of the AGA spiral bound history books by Craig Hutchinson. If I had known any of that history at the time I met Mr. Newlander, I would have asked about it, as well as why he and J. L. Bauer, the only other person translating Japanese go books into English at the time, chose to make competing translations of the same books. Kenneth Stubb's daughter in law recently sold some of her in-law's old chess books and the like on ebay. While buying the two lots of go books [one English and one Japanese] I corresponded with her and got a little info about Mr. Stubbs and his relationship with people like Mr. Lasker. A book of Lasker's titled Chess Secrets I Learned from the Masters has little bits about go. Essentially, the book is a chatty memoir of Lasker's days on the international chess tournament scene and his relationships with other top players, especially his non-relative but good friend Emanuel Lasker. He tells a number of anecdotes related to their mutual love of go. Stubbs, as it happened, did the art for that book, a number of line drawings of various chess champions [unfortunately no go champs]. Ted Drange, a retired professor of philosophy who was known in go circles for teaching what may have been the first university academic class on go strategy as logic, sold his collection of go magazines through the AGA e-journal. I bought his Go Reviews and would have bought many other items if I hadn't been too late to submit my offer. He was kind enough to include a number of theoretical papers on the game that he had received from other academics while corresponding on go-related research. chiwito |
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| Author: | chiwito [ Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What is a signature worth to you? |
Hyperpape: If you are curious about the history of go, either in America or more generally, the best sources are online. I'd start with Senei's library and with the blog associated with GoGod. Also wandering semi-randomly through Wikipedia entries on go-related topics will give plenty of info, as will a similar random walk through the web generally via google. However, if you want paper histories, Kiseido's Handbook and Peter Shotwell's book Go: More than a Game come to mind. There are probably other sources of which I haven't thought yet. chiwito |
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| Author: | kokomi [ Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What is a signature worth to you? |
Some of them should really practise their calligraphy, at least their names. |
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| Author: | hyperpape [ Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What is a signature worth to you? |
Chiwito: thanks. I'm no John Fairbairn, but I'm familiar with those sources. They're great for the history of go in CJK, but things like the history of Go in Europe and the US are often covered in less depth (in part because they're less important). |
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| Author: | chiwito [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What is a signature worth to you? |
hyperpape wrote: Chiwito: thanks. I'm no John Fairbairn, but I'm familiar with those sources. They're great for the history of go in CJK, but things like the history of Go in Europe and the US are often covered in less depth (in part because they're less important). I'm no John F either, which is probably too bad. If either of us were he, then we could get together and write the book we both want to read. I don't know whether the 2 volume set EuroGo is still in print, but if it is it is a good source on the history of go in that continent. Nothing comparable exists for the US. chiwito |
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| Author: | mohsart [ Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What is a signature worth to you? |
chiwito wrote: I'm no John F either, which is probably too bad. If either of us were he, then we could get together and write the book we both want to read. I don't know whether the 2 volume set EuroGo is still in print, but if it is it is a good source on the history of go in that continent. Nothing comparable exists for the US. chiwito Actually, it's a set of three books, of which the first one is OOP /Mats |
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| Author: | Stefany93 [ Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What is a signature worth to you? |
I want the signature of Napoleon, Hitler, William the Conqueror, Isabel Castilian and Artem Kachanovsky P.S - the signature is very important because it gives you the will that you are not such a loser. |
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| Author: | chiwito [ Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What is a signature worth to you? |
Stefany93 wrote: I want the signature of Napoleon, Hitler, William the Conqueror, Isabel Castilian and Artem Kachanovsky P.S - the signature is very important because it gives you the will that you are not such a loser. Fortunately, I have a nice autographed photo of William the Conqueror which I would be willing to sell. No go-related items though. I don't sell those. chiwito |
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| Author: | Stefany93 [ Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What is a signature worth to you? |
chiwito wrote: Stefany93 wrote: I want the signature of Napoleon, Hitler, William the Conqueror, Isabel Castilian and Artem Kachanovsky P.S - the signature is very important because it gives you the will that you are not such a loser. Fortunately, I have a nice autographed photo of William the Conqueror which I would be willing to sell No go-related items thoug. I don't sell those. chiwito Name the price! 
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