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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Post #121 Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:30 pm 
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Ok by me. I'll go with whatever the majority prefers.

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Post #122 Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:50 pm 
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Phelan hasn't posted since Sept. 2, if Daniel has no objections I would pronounce this game adjourned.
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Post #123 Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:55 am 
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That's fine, I hope Phelan is OK...

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Offline Phelan
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Post #124 Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:43 am 
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Daniel, thanks for worrying, everything is ok.
Sorry guys. I've been a little too busy for L19, and only recently started lurking again.

I think I have time to finish this game at least. Does everyone want to resume it?

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Post #125 Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:03 pm 
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Phelan wrote:

I think I have time to finish this game at least. Does everyone want to resume it?


I can continue it or not, whatever you guys want to do.

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Post #126 Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:56 pm 
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Yea, I'm okay with resuming it.
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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #127 Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:25 pm 
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Sure, we can continue.

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Post #128 Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:33 pm 
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Thanks.

So, from where we left off:

Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Aphelion wrote:
If Daniel accepts:

For Joaz only:
[ hide]I'd like to offer this trigger as it seems forced to me.
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[go]$$Bcm23 Move 26a - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=5
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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I approve.

I guess what we are doing, deconstructed, is: Apelion proposes 23, I approve, we assume that 24 is the only reasonable move, Phelan will play it, Daniel will approve it, Aphelion plays 25 and I approve that too.
@Phelan & Daniel: Is this ok with with you?


I'm ok with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Post #129 Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:50 pm 
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Yeah, I'm ok with that. So now Phelan gets to play 26, right?

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #130 Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:12 pm 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
... So now Phelan gets to play 26, right?


I believe so.

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Post #131 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:31 am 
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[go]$$Bcm23 Move 26 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=5
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Right now I'm just concerned about our group living, without harming any possibilities at the top.
I also considered L18, but I didn't like K17 as the reply.
Looking at the game now, I don't really like White. It seems black will be solid soon, and will also have influence towards the middle and right side.

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #132 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:17 am 
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Sorry, have to change it:

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[go]$$Bcm23 Move 26 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=5
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Force before living. If we don't do this, we'll never have the option of splitting off the black stones for an attack. This won't be sente once our group is alive.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Post #133 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:13 am 
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To white players anytime, and to Aphelion after he moves:
If it is M15, I approve.

I'm going skiing - or, well, falling down on ski slopes - for a few days, so I might not post until Friday.

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Post #134 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:51 am 
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[go]$$Bcm27 Move 27 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=5
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Forced, of course. I wonder if I should have taken the time to take that stone earlier, but that gave white a fair bit on the top. At least I will still get sente back after this, I will need to evaluate if the top group needs another move after that


Edit: Corrected move number, and after reading Joaz's move its now Phelan's turn.
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Post #135 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:23 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm27 Move 28 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=4
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Fixed corrections. :-?
It seems I forgot how important keeping the groups separated was.
Now I'm undecided between K17 and just playing N18 again. We're starting to run low on corrections...

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[go]$$Bcm27 My idea
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This takes away some eyespace on the top.

I also considered K14, but I don't like black's reply:

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[go]$$Bcm27 Seems bad news...
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Post #136 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:00 pm 
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When do we get more corrections?

I think I have to change this one, too... :/

We are gonna run out, eek.

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[go]$$Bcm29 Move 28 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=4
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:b29: hurts so much...

Also that white stone on K16 is a garbage stone (single stone plastered against stronger group = garbage). Moving with a garbage stone is almost always a terrible idea: now you have two garbage stones.

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Post #137 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:09 pm 
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Oh, I might as well just bite the bullet...

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[go]$$Bcm27 Move 28 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=3
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O W . . . . X . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

See my prior (now edited) post... I'm pretty sure this is worth a correction. I'm not even sure our group would live if I don't change it.

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Post #138 Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:30 pm 
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From the first post: "Each team starts with a counter of 10 total changes, and after every five consecutive moves without a change this counter will increment by one." :sad:

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Offline Aphelion
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Post #139 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:44 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm29 Move 29 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=6, W=3
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I'm hesitant about this move, I don't like that I ended on gote here and would much rather play a move on the left. However, everytime I look at it this moves seems the difference between great thickness vs White making shape with this cutting group and maybe even gaining some influence from attacking me. I hope I am not making a slow move.
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Post #140 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:37 pm 
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