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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2
Post #61 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:15 pm 
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Sorry for the delay. You guys are moving pretty fast. I didn't expect to have to check this every day, but I will try to do that.
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[go]$$Bcm29 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
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$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm29 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think (a) at (b) would have been better. I'm curious to see if (c) has sente value. Perhaps I will play it on my next move to try and bluff the weaker player. :P
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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2
Post #62 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:20 pm 
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Offline perceval
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Post #63 Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:40 am 
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No pb mw42 i am bored to death at work nowadays but it might change and you are lucky if that's not your case ...

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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


continue running or not ? that is the question
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . d . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

W is making 4th lne territory while we run

i hope than when the B chain is closer we can play d it would be cool if it then could link with F 13: i was tempted to play d now but i couldnt see a follow up; on the other hand after W @e we might do it;
i was also tempted to just tenuki at c but a capping qt a by B would still be big...
b was really tempting too but maybe too soon ... if W play b now then we ll have d/e to play for us so i keep it as a threat

Not happy with the state of the game now/ we are behind in territory and we don t have much to show as a trade off :scratch:

We ll see how it turns out :mrgreen:

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Offline Mnemonic
 Post subject: Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2
Post #64 Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:18 pm 
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Sorry for the long wait. We just had a long weekend with something you call "Mens day" and thus is was mentally impaired for the greater part of the last week.

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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ok, I had to decide between three basic areas.
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
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$$ | . . . X . . . b b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . c . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

A: This move protects two weaknesses at once, but it looks so slow and awful. If this were my game I would never play this move, but I'm notorious for playing fast and disaster prone instead of slow and thick. This move also helps our bottom group a lot which is nice.
B: Not much to say about these moves. They lake away blacks base and let us attack black. This was my original goal when playing the pincer (Yeah, my mind slipped and I forgot that one joseki :()
C:This helps the pincer stone and approaches the corner. This would probably be my move in a solo game

I've decided to regard B and C as rough miai. Also, Loons is playing next and if black jumps in it's going to get complicated.

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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2
Post #65 Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:59 am 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

No worries, sounds like you had a good time.
My first thought was counterpincering at L16 or M16, but between white's investment in the left(+tengen) and black's lack of obvious eyes if white picks up G18 after some peeps, I was not completely comfortable with either.

Capping makes our stones a bit more comfortable. Mw42 will likely play a base at M16 or N17, and we can develop from Q16 naturally. Note that developing the right should indirectly strengthen K4.
PS: My cursory reading says we're fine bottom left.

Edit: Now that I've played my move, my brain has started recalling an analogous pro game where black played Q10 directly here, satisfied that white could not kill top left and not wanting to help white develop the top stones. I think (hope) my way here is possible too.

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Post #66 Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:40 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 4 . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looking to attach to his stone so I can make some shape in this area.
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Post #67 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:41 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 1 O . O , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #68 Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:13 am 
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[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
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$$ | . . . X . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The last white move seems to set up a base stealing move like :w38:. I was a little bit worried about being surrounded and considered approaching the corner, but I really didn't like getting pincered. You usually have to play local after a peep, otherwise it's aji keshi.

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Post #69 Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:03 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I had trouble picking the exact spot for this move. Mnemonic should have played an extension directly. I played this particular move because (1) White is cramped as he tries to settle (2) Its distance discourages a white leaning technique with J14 and finally (3) It makes a conventional enclosure. Reason (2) is why I did not try to play more severely.

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Post #70 Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:45 pm 
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Ho hum, what a mess.

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[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O , . 4 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Got to just get out now. I was hoping for Mnemonic just to play some more forcing moves for shape then we could approach, or maybe just an approach directly would have been better.
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Post #71 Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:48 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O , . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

did not understand mnemo move.

Now to choose which way to push without endangerinf the right
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: :w1: :b1: from below
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O 4 2 O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

from the side:
i think W could close the door:
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . 8 . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O 9 O 5 . O 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 7 6 . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


we are both alive but maybe :white: group is more useful

The first diag keeps both groups more unsettled
iam going for the first one

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 Post subject: Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2
Post #72 Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:06 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O , 2 O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Seems like my Teammate is not too happy with me :sad: Lately my go hasn’t been going too well. I just came from a tournament where I lost 1-6 and 200+ rating points :shock:
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[go]$$Bcm41 The block does not look good
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . 4 2 X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O , 3 O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 2v2 Malkovich Rengo #2
Post #73 Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:22 am 
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I wouldn't worry too much, Mnemonic. You're not the one who almost-but-not-quite tenuki-ed an approach on the only 3-4 in the seventh move of the game. :oops:
Problem is, I feel like now is not the time to play around Q10.
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . Y . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . Y . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . Y W . W , W W . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . Y . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . Y . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . Y . . . . . T . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . T . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . Y . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a , . . . . . O . . . . . l . . . |
$$ | . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O Z . . Z . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O Z . . . . . x . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O Z . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I feel like my move needs to address our marked as yet unsettled groups, and I don't see l-ish managing that
.
So some speculation:
> White looks like he has a little bit of a weakness around 'a', I am pondering if I can poke at it productively with 'b' or something (but being careful of our flimsy looking corner).

> If we do play a pointy side gote, I would (right now) want it to be around x. As much as our x-ed group looks like a light shape, it is yet (as I see it) very heavy.

> Our other precious resource is the marked, as yet not quite settled white group, but gaining from it is going to be a delicate affair. J14 seems to want us to add a stone for shape somewhere and somehow, but I haven't a clue on any specifics yet. M13 threatens an elongated triforce shape (at J12), but this may not be the time or place.

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Post #74 Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:59 am 
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Actually, the only thing I am unhappy about in this game is my joseki choice in the bottom left. :oops: I'm not sure if it is bad, but it is ugly, to be sure!
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O , O O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O , O O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ {LN K10 M16}[/go]

I want to punch through that sector line (is that what a sector line is?). It might be a little bit of a fight. Everything I looked at seems ok for us (ie their pushing and prodding at cuts generally seem refutable) but some of our responses do need to be clever. If mw42's reading matches mine, hopefully he just connects and perceval follows my intent and walks through.

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Post #76 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:18 pm 
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Oh, was it my turn? :mrgreen:
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O 4 O O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . 6 7 X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O 5 O O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Obviously we cannot allow this exchange!
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Post #77 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:16 am 
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[go]$$Bcm45 Prisoners: :w1: :b1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . O O O O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



welcome back mw42 !!
Loons, first time i predicted your move :mrgreen:
now i hope this was your idea too :-?

well that was my plan in the previous diag and i still like it one month later

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It's a mystery
Not a mystery at all, I'm perfectly happy*

*Our thin play here was uniquely mine. It looks like I had a good plan for white trying a messy cut, but I don't seem to have posted it anywhere.

Yes, welcome back mw42

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Do we want to officially end this game (ie with no result), so we can look at all the comments?

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i kept hoping that mnemonic was on vacationand will come back but he hasn't visited since 6th of august ... not sure he will be back :sad: .
I think we can end it unless someone around my strength wants to take over and we all agree ?

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