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Post #121 Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:48 am 
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Thought about tenuki, but I think it’s worth continuing.

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Post #122 Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:54 am 
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There was some study I read about where participants got to select a poster that they wanted to keep, given a few choices. In one group, that was all there was to it. In the second group, they were required to explain their choice.

Six months later, both groups were surveyed on whether they liked their choice. The group that provided explanations for their choice didn’t like their posters as much as the group that just picked based on instinct.

Sometimes, the curse of Malkovich game is the push to explain your decisions in a logical manner. Logic is a good thing, but some ability or strength comes from intuition or unexplainable factors.

On the other hand, bad habits and moves are also often difficult to explain with logic.

How does one distinguish between the two cases?

Not really sure... :scratch:

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Post #123 Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:32 am 
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Not much of a choice here I think, though I'm surprised he didn't play C2, that's more complicated, which should benefit him.

I guess he'll clamp next, so I should start thinking about weather to descend or connect.


Sidenote: Now that I did not play it, I looked up the attachment in response to his approach, seems like it has a rather straightforward variation and would have likely been a better response.
Small regrets, but at least I learned something.

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Post #124 Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:49 pm 
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Post #125 Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:55 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think I can feasably descend here. Because of his stones on top I have no good response to B4. At least not one that I am comfortable with. I should have postponed looking up the variation I omitted until after the game, I'm feeling less and less good about this.

Next I think he will connect out and I'll need to think of a followup. I think I can no longer just be satisfied with the corner, maybe switching to the outside and aiming at K8 is a better plan. If I can keep him to one eye in the corner then something like F3 is worth looking at.

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Post #126 Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:05 am 
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Almost posted h3 out of instinct, but I decided attaching is at least worth considering.

Besides- I'm not in good shape right now. I have insomnia, and need to wake up in 5 hours.

Maybe I should stop using my phone.

I'm a pretty illogical guy, I guess.

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Post #127 Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:11 am 
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Black seems pretty unconcerned about the left side.

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Post #128 Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:25 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's keep things simple. Still tired from last night, but what else is new?

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Post #129 Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:19 am 
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Not unexpected, the most straightforward reply would be the iron pillar, but I think I have quite a few options here, so I'll take some time to read them out.

Besides, I have to make sure my corner is safe before I start locking up the right.

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Post #130 Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:43 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This isn't really a good move, more like the least terrible that I can come up with.

Iron pillar and tenuki are out, I just don't think my corner could handle either (I really wish I was better at reading x.X)

I looked at all the moves around the F4 area, and all of them look slow and weak. I also coudnn't find anything good that guarantees that I can cut him if he tenukies.

This one seems ok at least, its fast and if he tries to cut either of the large knights I get some more moves against his stones at the bottom.

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Post #131 Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:36 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


His move is a little loose - not totally connecting his groups, and I don't see a strong purpose.

Since he didn't answer on bottom I will.

I considered a rush invasion, but I don't want to sacrifice my stones.

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Post #132 Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:54 pm 
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J4 is my gut reaction, but after that I think he will just cut me. I think I'll look at J5 first.

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Post #133 Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:53 am 
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I couldn't see anything immediately terrible, though I feel like this whole area is a mess.

If he finds a way to slaughter everything there I won't be surprised.

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Post #134 Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:35 pm 
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Huh...

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Post #135 Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:59 pm 
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X W . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trying not to overthink this.

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Post #136 Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:08 am 
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I think this is the first move that he made that looks really bad to me.

I'll have to do some reading, but the cut looks insanely good for me.

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Post #137 Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:24 am 
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Kirby wrote:
Trying not to overthink this.


For Kirby and observers:

Then why not this? :)
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . O W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Post #138 Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:37 am 
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@Bill

Because I succeeded so much in not overthinking that I "underthought" things :-D

In all seriousness, though, the way I play go these days seems... emotional(?). If a move feels good, I play it. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Kind of like the crosscut situation ez4u pointed out from the other thread.

I probably need to use the logical part of my brain more, but it's a hard habit to break.

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Post #139 Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:01 am 
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@Kirby
Well, I may have underthought things. It seems like the nobi was my first thought, the hane was yours. :)

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Post #140 Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:34 am 
Judan

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Bill Spight wrote:
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Well, I may have underthought things. It seems like the nobi was my first thought, the hane was yours. :)


Yeah, I'm generally greedy. Inseong says I should fix my own weakness more than doing something fancy. I always feel behind when I play normally, though.

I think I need more patience.

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