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 Post subject: Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Post #101 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:57 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Connects and keeps potetial eyespace at P6

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Post #102 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:18 pm 
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think i jinxed myself calling out the kill shot he saw through my plan. so now for peep, if he connects here i will continue to press in on his eye space, if not i will see what hes thinking and adjust :rambo:

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Post #103 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:42 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O 2 O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ok so some random attempts at reading shown below

The corner looks close but not quite at being dangerous so I will save it for ko later.

I am not confident in this working out but I dont see any alternatives either.

edit.. Once I posted this I see that the corner invasion may actually work... :study: must do further reading

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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O 5 O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . 7 4 6 8 3 X 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . 4 3 2 X 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 7 . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 5 6 . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . 9 3 4 1 7 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O 2 O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #104 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:56 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . 1 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ok, now to start enclosing this group, i want to reduce eye space with s5, but i must enclose first or he will just run for his life and that would mess up my moyo :rambo:

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Post #105 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:28 am 
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X 1 X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Can't let him seal me in that easily.

I am expecting him to play n8 ... something like below is my goal.

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$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 6 . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . 1 2 X . 4 5 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O 8 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #106 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:33 am 
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Nathan's goal looks dead to me. Even if it wasn't, it is definetely sealed in, which he hoped to avoid.

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Post #107 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:44 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now he is trying to break free, which is natural when being enclosed,

My reply is a hane, responding to the attachment

I could nobi (which is good shape also) and let him run around just cause im confident i can still keep him from making eyes. I know I got stones everywhere on this side of the board but i just dont want a wild group running around inside my moyo

He might go for the cut but im not worried about that either because i'm strong on this side
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Post #108 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:54 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 1 2 . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . 6 X O X 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 2 4 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O 6 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #109 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:08 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think this is the correct side to block on, and now my mission is to make sure this group doesn't make life, so far he has 2 potential eyes... :study:

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1986 wrote:
he has 2 potential eyes...
(a) and (b) are miai, so locally W is dead...
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$$ . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ . . . . . B X O a X X . |
$$ . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ . . O . . O X O O O b . |
$$ . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$--------------------------[/go]
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$$ . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . 4 X O O |
$$ . . . . . B X O 1 X X . |
$$ . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ . . O . . O X O O O 2 . |
$$ . . O X X X X O X O 3 O |
$$ O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ . X . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$--------------------------[/go]
...so let's see how B handles this:
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[go]$$W
$$ . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ . . . . . B X O . X X . |
$$ . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ . X . . . . 3 4 . 2 X 1 |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$--------------------------[/go]


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Post #111 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:39 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


why not here

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Post #112 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:01 pm 
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Nathan wrote:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . X 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


why not here


To Nathan:
I don't know, why don't you read and tell me.

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Post #113 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:37 pm 
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I think he has to go at either a or b otherwise I can get eyes in the corner.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . b a X 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


after that I will read my options with o3

but probably something like below is the goal

edit.. This does not account for the fact that if he plays t8 I have to respond meaning he can ignore r7. So dont think its gonna work. Ill keep thinkin
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O 6 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . 4 5 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O 9 X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O 8 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 3 X 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #114 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:54 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 1 X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i was expecting him to take first but its ok, now this group just gained a liberty, and the dumpling still doesn't have eyes. my plan still is to keep this goup from living, as long as i take my time its a reachable goal... :study:

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Post #115 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:23 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O 1 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Another Forcing move to threaten to disconnect his group


all i can do is hope me messes up :sad:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O 1 X X 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X 4 5 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O 2 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O 3 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O 5 O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . 1 X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #116 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:46 pm 
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$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O 1 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O X X X X O X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


thats a nice way to take the stone becuse it threatens to cut, which i will protect as soon as i rob this eye in sente, if he ignores i cut/atari and cause some trouble :rambo:

im thinking he blocks the cut/atari
then i protect the cut , after that is his move :study:

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I resign


Thanks for the game!! Im excited to go through the comments.

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Good Game :bow:
Thank you :salute:

i cant wait to read the comments either its the best part of the game :mrgreen: !

game comments:

i think i just had a fatser fuseki, and i was all over the board early in the game

starting with move 24 i dont think that was the right direction, maybe a hane instead and try to break out with the group you already had,

just because that whole fight after 24 was unproductive, i dont think you had enough space to play sabaki, make life and do some damage

but the opening makes the game hard to deal with for white

continue to walk the path of Go my brother and i will see u at the top :clap:

let me know when u are ready for a rematch :rambo:

now its time to focus on getting stronger :study:

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one thing i learned from going back to read the comments is i need to do way more varaitions, even though there is no quick way to do diagram variations and going past 10 moves is a pain and it takes a while to do, its just good to show variations, because the comments and feed back you get on your reading show u your flaws in your reading and thats something i need more of

i love seing the moves i missed

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After :b67: (marked), how does Black answer :w1: below? :blackeye:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . . X . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . B . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . O O O X X O . O X X X O . |
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