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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Post #101 Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:58 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . 8 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 3 . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . 6 . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i somehow expected that move...
according to my calculation (more like instinct)...it is very hard to capture the group.
depend on how he answer my probe it might help capture his group.

if he decide to cut...marked white stone aji will be too much for him
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[go]$$Bcm41 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . W X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


edit: does my probe work? i dont know.
but one this is for sure. It very hard to answer.
i guess i like to play moves that will give my opponent hard time just for that reason alone.

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 Post subject: Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Post #102 Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:08 pm 
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Sorry for the delay - I had a short holiday in Spain to see my nieces.


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[go]$$Bcm41 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . 8 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 3 . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . 5 7 . 9 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . 6 . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It is obviously tempting to answer the probe directly. Maybe that's the right move. But I can't read it out, and in some lines I collapse. As played, I seem less likely to collapse and MW's continuation is non-trivial.

For example,

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[go]$$Bc I'll dance with you in Vienna
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X a O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This reply seems pretty duff for W. I have an emergency cut left at a, so I think I can reply at 3 (tenuki). If W attacks around 4, I can make life with my big group pretty easily.

This seems good for B. I get the outside, and tettitorially it's not too bad for B either.

So MW is unlikely to play that move.


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[go]$$Bc I'll be wearing a river's disguise
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2. . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This may be possible. I have numerous possible replies. My current favourite is 3 above. Again, I'm unlikely to die and MW does not seem to have a severe attack anywhere.


If Mw answers B 49 directly, then in some lines cutting in the centre is clearly good for me e.g.


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So MW may choose to hane, but then I can counter-hane.


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[go]$$Bc I'll dance with you in Vienna
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X 7 4 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X 6 1 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This line is complex, but seems playable for B. Other move oreders also get to this position.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Post #103 Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:33 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . 8 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O 3 . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . 5 7 . 9 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . 6 . O . O 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i will answer just because it is good trade for white

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Post #104 Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:51 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks stronge than cutting immediately, which was my first intinct. W seems to end up with bad shape. I hope this happens:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 . . 3 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . 4 O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



B connect all his outside bits, and W gets bad aji in the corner.

Alternatively , W may try this:

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[go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . B 3 . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X a O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have good aji at a, so I will just play at 3 or the marked stone and awit developments.

Neither of these look amazing for W. SO W may tenuki.

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[go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . 2 . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . 3 . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Both sides move out, and it's a running fight. (3 and 5 may not be best - they are for illustration.) My groups feels relatively strong, so it's not too bad for me.
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Post #105 Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:55 am 
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Post #106 Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:31 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #108 Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:08 am 
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Post #109 Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:41 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 4 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It feels like MW is playing too close to his own strength.

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Post #110 Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:41 pm 
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It feels like MW is playing too close to his own strength.

You mean 54 is too close to the top left corner? Why is it too close? Do you expect a specific sequence that would damage his position?
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[go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 4 5 . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tenuki with 55 may also be possible, but answering looks OK. If MW continues in this area:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O 1 a . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 3 5 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


2 feels like the best move locally. 3 may be slack, but up to 5 I link up and become thick. a is a big follow up move for either player, but MW needs to take care of his centre group first.



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[go]$$Bc possible further continuation
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X 9 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X 1 X . . 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . 2 . 4 . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . . . 3 . 5 . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In some variations, like the one above,I get to play at a from fhte first diagram.

Neither B nor W has much secure territory here, but B has more potential so seems ahead.

W can try more aggresive lines in the centre e.g.



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[go]$$Bc Fight!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X 1 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , 0 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . 9 2 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . 7 6 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X 3 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm11 More Fight!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X 5 O 2 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O 6 1 O 4 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . . X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The fighty line looks good for me. MW may do better in this variation if he starts the attack immediately and doesn't play the moves at the top. the move at the top has cost him a liberty. However, I can still handle the fight.


MW has a range of replies I've not shown. It's complex!
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Post #112 Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:05 pm 
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Post #113 Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:43 pm 
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i was afraid he might tenuki and attact me first.

I cover my weakness and leave ko aji at same time.
That will give me some insurance on my fight

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Post #114 Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:24 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


( I'm posting diagrams while MW recovers from surgery )

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Post #115 Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:11 am 
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No need to explain anything. We all know you'd need to suffer some sort of a punishment for losing the game against him. ;-)

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I will think about my next move for a while
Time =8.05.


Magicwand wrote:
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time = 9.43, so 1 hour 40 = "a while" in a Malkovich game! :bow:

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[go]$$Wcm56 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


W56 moves into the centre, but in a fairly slow way. It sets up a ko, but I don't need to worry about it much - the ko damages MW if he loses.


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[go]$$Wc B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . 3 5 7 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 4 . 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . 8 . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something along these line is likely. B has quite good potential everywhere, so this feels playable for black. As long as the W group is unsettled, it's difficult for W to play at a. The ko is very dangerous for W - I capture with an atari,so W loses a reasonable amount if he loses the ko.


W could consider this alternative:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O 5 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . 4 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The aji at a completely vanishes here, since I can cut W in the centre. So this seems better for B than the previous diagram.
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Post #117 Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:43 am 
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[go]$$Wcm56 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . 3 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i could not find any better move than this... ko is the key factor that will decide this game so i have to be careful on when to initiate the ko

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[go]$$Wcm56 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . 3 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As planned. If MW pushes again, I've rethought my previous plan and I'll solidly extend:

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[go]$$Wcm56 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . 3 5 7 9 . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 4 6 . 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O a O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The key difference is the point at a, which was nearly sente in for W in other version I showed earlier.
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 Post subject: Re: magicwand versus drmwc
Post #119 Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:39 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm56 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . 3 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

now my opponent will think again...
is he thinking same diag as my thought? we will findout shortly

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Offline drmwc
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Post #120 Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:07 am 
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[go]$$Wcm56 B has captured 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 6 . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O O . 3 . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O . 1 2 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . X X . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O . O . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X . . O , X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As planned. Maybe it's slack, and I should block. But those lines are really hairy - MW replies in the centre (e.g. L10) rather than cut immediately. If he gets to stenghten the group in sente he can then cut.
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