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Offline iseijin
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #121 Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:59 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O 4 |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was wrong about it being Gote for black. He can clamp on S3:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . 5 3 O 2 |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O 4 1 . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now P5 and T3 or T5 are miai for black.

I don't have to play T4, I could tenuki and let black into the corner, I think I could make 2 eyes, but I want the territory.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #122 Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:07 pm 
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Need to think, probably won't play again until tomorrow.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #123 Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:05 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O 5 . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, I'm trying this counting thing out ... seems to me that White has about 50-55 points of solid territory, plus komi and probably the potential to get about 10 more points. So, I'm aiming to get between 65-70 points by the end of the game.

Looking at Black, I would say I have roughly 40 solid points going into this move. I need to make up a 15 point difference. I think I have the influence to do it, but I need to squeeze out points. The top looks like the most likely place to make up ground, but I have to account for the stone at K16, which is a thorn in my side whenever I try to read something out.

I considered H17 first, but in my reading White was able to activate K16 effectively and I gain almost nothing. Next I thought about H16, but again the K16 stone could activate and cause me much trouble.

So, since I seem to be weaker here than I would like to be, I decided to play the contact play at G17. This is more complicated, but I think I can answer whatever White brings to the table.
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Offline iseijin
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #124 Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:07 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This would be bad:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . 5 2 1 . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . 3 O X . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . 4 . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I play first in that area. I didn't find any good sente plays anywhere on the board.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #125 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:37 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 7 . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So far as I can read, I can block here. If he tries to contest the top, I can cut into his corner pretty deep.
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Offline iseijin
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #126 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:05 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I looked at this:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 O X 3 . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . 6 O X 1 . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . 2 . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think I can make 2 eyes for both groups, so I just defended
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #127 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:13 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X 9 . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the safest play. White still has the sente endgame play to reduce my top, but this position feels much more comfortable now. The game looks much more even to me, though White now has sente. He'll need to find some effective moves, but I've left very few attacks available against my stones.
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Offline iseijin
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #128 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:30 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm just trying to play the biggest point. But I'm lazy and have no good idea of where the biggest area is.
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Offline Marcus
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Post #129 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:47 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I wanted to block at Q13 instead of Q11, but that leaves a push and cut around Q10 for White to exploit.

I need to find the best ways to reduce White now, and try to pull ahead ...
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Offline emeraldemon
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #130 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:22 am 
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I don't know what marcus is counting, but I think black is ahead:

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[go]$$Bcm101 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . g . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . d . . X X O . . h |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . O f . . O . . c . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . i . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . f . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . b . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . e . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Black:
a = 12
b = 12
c = 14
d = 14
====52

white
komi 6
e = 12
f = 10
g = 10
h = 4
i = 6??
====48

And I think it's optimistic to give white 6 points on the left. I think a play on the bottom is big for both players, and I also think there are a lot of forcing moves against white's center groups that black can use for points.
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Offline iseijin
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Post #131 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:15 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . 2 . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Still trying to play the biggest endgame.
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 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #132 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . 3 X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I suppose that's pretty big, but it should be gote, I think.
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Offline iseijin
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #133 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X 4 O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Bill Spight
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #134 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:23 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My guess. :)

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Last edited by Bill Spight on Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #135 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:32 pm 
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iseijin wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm101 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | a X 4 O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | b X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


4 should be at a as that way white can be sure b is his privilege later. Like this it is possible that black may have a good time to play b himself, which threatens to save the 1 stone with descent and white is short of libs to cut it off.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #136 Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:43 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I first wanted to extend to B7 ... but White can cut me off with a play at B9. I next read through C8 as an option, but I don't have a good way to answer B9 again. Seems like B8 is as far as I can extend in this case.

In other parts of the board, I can't help my eyes coming back to that Q2 stone. It almost feels like there's something I can do there ...
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Offline iseijin
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #137 Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:08 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | 6 X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think there is any dangerous aji near my stones around :b5: , so I just try to play the biggest move again.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #138 Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:11 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | 8 O . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | 6 X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | 7 9 . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just to speed things up, does the above look correct?
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Offline iseijin
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #139 Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:08 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | X X . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Still the same
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #140 Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:45 am 
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[go]$$Bcm111 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X X . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | O O . . . . X . . X X . . . . . . X . |
$$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | X X . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . X . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . X X X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O . O O O X . . O X . |
$$ | . . O O . . O . X X O X X . X . O X . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . O X . . . . O X . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . O O . X . . . , . O O |
$$ | . . . . X O O . X . O X . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . X . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Need to wait for an opportunity to take control ... though I haven't yet found a decent sequence of moves that I like.
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