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Offline ez4u
 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #121 Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:07 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . 4 O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O . X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, there you go. He lived. But I feel like there's still a good game to be played.


Consider Kirby's play here and its effect. On the good side, it kept sente. On the bad side...
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 5 b X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X 4 7 . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O 6 X 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X 9 1 O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O 2 B B . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

"Forcing" White to play 2 reduces the liberties on the marked stones and makes it more likely that MW will come up with something nasty in the corner. In addition, the exchange does not completely fix the connection at the top. White can play 8 after 6 so Black has no choice but to connect at 7 rather than "b".

Consider this alternative...
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O 1 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . b O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O 4 O X . O a X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O 3 O X . c . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X 5 O 6 O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . d . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

B1 is gote locally. However, it leaves behind the ability to cut off two White stones with "a" through "c". It completely connects in the center. Finally it allows Black to play 1 through 5 in sente, which eliminates some of the aji in the lower left corner ("d" can no longer take advantage of Black shortage of liberties).

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 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #122 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:02 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, there's a lot of action that can happen in the near future, but before that starts, I'd like to get this move in while I still think he'll respond.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #123 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:31 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #124 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:49 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 2 X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sure, we can do this, first...

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #125 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:41 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X 3 . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline perceval
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Post #126 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:44 pm 
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nice illustration of force before defending

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #127 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:56 pm 
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for obs only
for those who are curious why i didnt trigger below sequences...
i needed to think about tenuki and follow below sequence
that cut at "a" is too small for me to defend.. i rather grab myself a flow...and attack marked black stone.
personally i dont think he has a time to cut...

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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . B . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a O O . X X X O O B . B O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X 3 . X O O . O B . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X 4 . . X X O . O B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X B . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O B . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O B . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline hyperpape
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Post #128 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:04 pm 
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Dave, although Kirby has already played a different move to defend, would it still be worth it to play that block you identified? It still has the same effect on the bottom side, and it was gote to begin with.

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Post #129 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:16 pm 
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:b70: feels much better at :b1: instead:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #130 Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:44 pm 
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for obs:
below is wrong..
i atari because he peeped.. if he tenuki then it doesnt make sense to peep.
but.. still right answer for black is tenuki...

i should have not atari :w63: and play :w65: to make sure i keep my sente.
these little thing will make big difference in any game...

i still think my opponent will answer my atari..but i guess i am taking unnecessary risk...
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . B . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a O O . X X X O O B . B O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X 3 . X O O . O B . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X 4 . . X X O . O B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X B . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O B . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O B . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #131 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:11 am 
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kirby is not answering my move for long time.. :(
now i am scared.. maybe he is trying to tenuki.
what if he doesnt answer my atari???
i should have tenukied while i had a chance...

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Post #132 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:21 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My shape doesn't feel good if I connect, and with the forcing moves he's gotten in the area, I wonder about the value of getting the three stones I was aiming at before.

If he takes my stone, I don't think it is sente. So I will hold back for now, and try to get a better idea of his plan.

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Post #133 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:31 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #134 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:36 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
kirby is not answering my move for long time.. :(
now i am scared.. maybe he is trying to tenuki.
what if he doesnt answer my atari???
i should have tenukied while i had a chance...
Kirby wrote:
If he takes my stone, I don't think it is sente. So I will hold back for now, and try to get a better idea of his plan.
Malkovich games probably aren't the most productive thing to read, but this is great.

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Post #135 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:07 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 6 7 . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, he didn't capture my stone. I suppose he doesn't have to do anything in that area, since I didn't.

His response seems to indicate that the left side is not important to him. Rather, he is building up power in the center. If that's his plan, then maybe I should be concerned about the center, too.

I would like to get sente to stablize my groups in the center:
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . B . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . B B O . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X B O O B . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O B . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He has forcing moves in the area, above. I want to reinforce that area.

I hope to get sente from this exchange...

...But will he let me have it?

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Offline EdLee
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Post #136 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:28 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
I hope to get sente from this exchange
B can simply :b1::
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #137 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:39 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . 9 , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
now i sealed him so a~c is deadly for black....
he has two weak giant groups. i think i am going to win easily.
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . 9 , . . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | b X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . a O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . c . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #138 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:08 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , 0 . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess I "kind of" got sente. I have time to strengthen my group, anyway.

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Post #139 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:52 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . 1 . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X . . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i like to attack his group...but my group is too weak to attack now..
i will wait some more.

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Post #140 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:59 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X 2 . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, this shape is terrible, but I think I have time to connect his atari, now.

Overall, I am satisfied so far...

However, I have been losing games for the last little while... :-)

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