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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #121 Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:28 pm 
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I might be misreading, but how does white have enough libs here?
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[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . O O 3 X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O . X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . 2 . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #122 Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:29 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O . . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . O O 3 X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O . X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ok he takes a liberty and destroy my last eye, so now its no eyes vs no eyes, interesting

so i must take a liberty now its a liberty fight

this move saves my lonely stone & takes a liberty

im playing it out on my board and the corner helps me a little bit in the liberty fight because it will take a while to get there for white because he is not close enough to just take liberties directly

:scratch:

but to be honest im kinda nervous, if i do loose this group i gotta have more ways to stay ahead in this game... so now its meditation time, i gotta stay calm and try looking at the board from different angels

if he takes another liberty, then i take another liberty. unless i see something else.

im gonna take a litte break from the board and come back to it with a refreshed mind. i have been staring at the same positons all day and i feel a little edgy u know

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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #123 Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:29 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O 4 . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O . X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Last liberty that I need. Where do we go from here? Only 1986 knows.
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Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #124 Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:47 am 
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[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O 5 X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i got mixed emotions i just saw something on the board IM DEAD :cry:

i dont like it but i think i found a way to deal with it in a productive way

ok lets see this is a one way street

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . c b X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O a . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O 4 . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X 6 O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O 5 X 9 . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O 8 7 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


now we both have 6 liberties (4 actual & 2 vitural)
and its his move so if he takes a liberty then im going to be short 1 in the semeai
:cry: :sad: :cry: :sad:

but its ok i gotta sacrifice skillfully like a man :rambo:
so im forcing him in this sequence just so i can play some valuable moves elsewhere like a-c for example, i havent decided where yet or how
at the same time im blocking off my lower right side :ugeek:

im angry about that loss but the anger just motivates me :rambo:
to look on the bright side at least i caught that earlier than i normally would
thats good reading on my part :tmbup: !!!

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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #125 Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:05 am 
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My reading is obviously terrible, but seems like 1986 lost his final chance here.

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[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X . O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | 7 X X . X O X O . X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O 5 6 . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As above seems like seki in sente for black.

If black were dead, black should stop playing in the area and leave the forcing moves for ko threats.

Edit: As a side note, 1986's variation is correct given that he is dead after his last move. However, I would not play 86 even as a local move because K6 and such are more subtle (though I guess white L2 is fairly easy to find for sdk, especially in slow games).
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Offline EdLee
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Post #126 Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:05 am 
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1986,
1986 wrote:
i gotta sacrifice skillfully like a man :rambo:
As you're probably well aware, there are pros, women and men alike, who make beautiful sacrificing moves. :mrgreen:
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #127 Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:50 am 
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[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X 6 O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I still have this fight. However, the game is not won or lost. I'm gonna need to do something similar at least once more to get back in the game, I think.
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Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #128 Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:08 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O 7 . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


@Ed lee
yeah you are right is should have said sacrifice like mankind :D


sometimes a break is all you need, i feel much better now, i decided to play here instead of close off the bottom right side in sente,

just in case i have a ko and need those threats later, i will have a few up my sleve

my main focus is now where are the best global plays

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[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . b a X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O 7 . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . d . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . e . . |
$$ | . . X , c . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X 6 O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


so far i like a-e, i really like (a) first and foremost

its a peacful night tonight im going to watch some go lectures on internetgoschool.com :study:

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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #129 Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:24 am 
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[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Solidify corner #3 ... that fight left Black with a good number of ko threats, so I need to keep that in mind for the future. I have to assume I'm going to lose any ko fight and choose my battles wisely ...
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Offline 1986
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #130 Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:49 am 
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[go]$$Bcm80 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Great move i wanted to play there, lets see if i can make sabaki, in this corner, at fist i was thinking
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[go]$$Bcm88 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . .a O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , b . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


with the option to play (a) to either build a base in the corner or build a base for my two stone group, but i decided to just go with the one space jump to keep it simple.

i also wanted to play (b) but its not time yet i gotta do something with this group first
:study:

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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #131 Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:28 pm 
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Still thinking ... might be a few days while I review the board. Sorry for the delay.
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #132 Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:45 am 
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Sorry for the delay. It's been a rough week last week.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ok, so I looked at the board and couldn't decide what I should do. Perhaps I'm getting greedy here, but I feel like I should invade the right side now. I still need to make up some points here.

There is still aji in H17, K16, and O17 that I will want to activate eventually, but now doesn't seem like the right time to do that. His C10/C13/E13 group is also attackable, and I considered doing that as well, but I couldn't yet see enough profit to make it worthwhile.
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Offline 1986
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Post #133 Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:54 am 
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no problem i enjoyed my week off, gives me the chance to look at the board with fresh eyes

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[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ok back to business, i choose the pincer because it helps my lower and right side setup, basically i think it looks better globally, usually you defend the corner like so
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but then white gets the star point and gets a good right side presence that i have to deal with, for instance he can run into my center from there or start some trouble trying to break out from his lower right group to do something else & i rather pincer to avoid all of that. im sure you undertstand just its the keep it simple stupid (K.I.S.S.) method :D

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Offline Marcus
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Post #134 Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:11 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . 2 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My opponent's center is starting to look really nice ... here's hoping I can reduce it later.

Perhaps it's just my mood (I tend to be a bit more down during the winter), but it's looking to be pretty hard to reduce that center. I'm going to have to bust out the aji and make SOMETHING work. :D
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Offline 1986
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Post #135 Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


interesting i expected a large knights move, but anyway the diagonal move i played stops him from connecting with the top side

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[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . 3 . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . 2 . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 4 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i like the way this builds up the top, its peaceful yet profitable

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 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #136 Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:03 am 
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[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 4 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I'm committed now ... ;)
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Offline 1986
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Post #137 Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:10 am 
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[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i changed up my last variation a bit at first i didn't want to attach his stone, but now its a strong group so maybey its not helping a weak stone anymore. But the main reason i choose to attach is because the knights move is too soft. i still like black globally but im nervous he might try something slick so im staying on guard! :rambo:

here are some thoughts on this position in variations

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 4 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . 7 6 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 5 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 4 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . a 8 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 5 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Post #138 Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:28 pm 
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I would have instinctually played this here. Also, I probably wouldn't have slid into the corner as white. I probably would have jumped out.
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[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Celebrir
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Post #139 Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:35 pm 
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I would have instinctually played this here. Also, I probably wouldn't have slid into the corner as white. I probably would have jumped out.
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I agree that jumpoing out seems to be the best for W. Even now I would have tried to jump out.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Variation
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . W . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 2 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . 3 , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X X X X X O , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . O X O O O X X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X . X O X O X X . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . O . X O O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If B "punishes" that W doesn't saved :wc: W gets another move to reduce B's influence. Seems better than the game for me.
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Post #140 Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:05 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm90 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O X O X . . . X O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . O O X . X . . . . . . O . |
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