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 Post subject: Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck
Post #121 Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:58 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I considered cutting or clamping first, but I don't see a neat way to play afterwards and would prefer if black has to protect after (since there's no really great ways to protect that I can see).

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Post #122 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:40 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 1 . O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #123 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:18 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 2 O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not much choice here. I briefly considered the connect, but removing one more liberty from that group is not really useful, and with the bamboo I have a stronger shape on outside.

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Post #124 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:34 pm 
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One thing that bothers me for several moves now is how big a move at L4 is. It seems liek the 4 white stones have to run into the center then, which makes a total of 2 white groups running into the center. Sounds liek a good possibility for a splitting attack ?

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Post #125 Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:24 am 
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Bump in case Shaddy missed my last move :p

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Post #126 Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:48 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 3 , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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Post #127 Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:47 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . 4 . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I might be too optimistic in the strength of the bamboo group, but it doesn't look like it can be killed. This capture is very big because now I don't have to give up R3 if black plays atari and the cut at C7 is becoming more dangerous. If I don't play this capture, black might tiger mouth instead and while F5 will probably be my sente the solidarity of the groups in the area changes completely.

Of course, the danger is that my top group might get killed, but I don't see a very harsh attack because I can either run out or have base locally due to G17 possibility?

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Post #128 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:37 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No real good attacking move. I'll take more territory, I'm ahead.

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Post #129 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:42 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Probe to see whether black will hane or capture.

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Post #130 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:05 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . 7 . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #131 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:17 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . X . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . 8 . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #132 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:17 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X 9 X . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #133 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:19 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: B-2 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X B B . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . W . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This has got to be a good example of a bad exchange with this broken shape? Surely just :w8: would have been better?

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Post #134 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:03 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X X X . O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O . O X X X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O O O X . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O . X O X O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , . . X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . O . X . O . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . O . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . O O O X . O . X O X O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X X O O . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I thought perhaps black would have pushed up at F16 instead, but I guess he didn't like the aji that remains after. Here I'm not really planning to get much in centre, I just want to connect my group in sente.

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Post #135 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:22 pm 
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As someone who know's shaddy's style as well as anyone, I feel that illuck hasn't played this match correctly. You need to call shaddy out when he plays ... ambitiously. If you follow him around the board, he'll end you. I haven't seen enough aggressive play by illuck. (note that I am well and truly on the booze side of the force right now, so I can't edit this beyond spelling/grammar to make any sense ...

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Post #136 Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:30 am 
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Bump in case Shaddy missed my last move.

Sorry, I forgot to number that move - it's at E15 :)

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 Post subject: Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck
Post #137 Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 9:57 pm 
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Bump again?

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Post #138 Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:12 pm 
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illluck wrote:
Bump again?


I reminded Shaddy of this game in meatspace. Hopefully he'll get back to it soon.


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Post #139 Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:19 am 
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Cool, thanks a lot :)

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Post #140 Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:06 pm 
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