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Offline opex
 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #121 Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:11 pm 
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Pretty much the only logical move. Now black should also run.

o10 has a very bad aji for me here, because i'll have to think hard if black plays a ladder breaker.
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[go]$$Wcm78 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline DJLLAP
 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #122 Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:08 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm78 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I should have played here before my invasion,now that it comes to pass. I am trying to keep groups a and b separate so he cannot attack my week group as easily.


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[go]$$Wcm78 Captures: b - 1, w - 6.
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$$ | . . O . . . . X O a . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . b O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline opex
 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #123 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:59 am 
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[go]$$Wcm80 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O C O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #124 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:37 am 
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Perhaps it was better to extend. This way the group would be guaranteed at least one eye.
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline DJLLAP
 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #125 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:19 am 
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[go]$$Wcm80 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O O O O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I am happy with this result. If I can manage to attack the group at K15, I will be in a much better position to reduce W's moyo on the side.
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Offline Marcus
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Post #126 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:49 am 
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The Intrepid wrote:
Perhaps it was better to extend. This way the group would be guaranteed at least one eye.
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White can connect that group to the corner at S9, so no worries about eyes right now. (Ok, so there may be a way for Black to MAYBE force ko if White tries to connect with S9, but it's not realy a worry right now, in my opinion.)
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 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #127 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:52 am 
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X 2 3 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think the group can connect under no problem. Actually I think :w1: at S11, threatening connection and the upper side, may be even better.

My own judgement might be off, but I just don't really see :b80: and :b81: seriously threatening that thick white group. There are weaknesses at S11, P13, S14. Plus black's last 2 moves can be cut. M12 cut right now gets the eye you were looking at, and push and cut at L12 means L10 is atari.

The K16 group is the weaker of the two white groups under attack, but I'm not sure what's the right shape move for White to attack. H14 and J15 both come to mind.
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Offline opex
 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #128 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:02 pm 
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I have to chase the black group now. I considered h14 but didn't like the weakness in the resulting shape.
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[go]$$Wcm84 No easy connection
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$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . 6 . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O 2 O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 . 3 4 7 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 . 9 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 0 . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm82 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline DJLLAP
 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #129 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:02 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm82 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I feel like I have been let off of the hook quite a bit here. I can move out to the center easily, and still have an extension to b for eye space. this is not exactly a severe attack. next time I get sente I may play at a. I havent read out all the variations for Blacks follow ups, but it seems really severe at first look.
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[go]$$Wcm82 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . O . b . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O . O X a . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline opex
 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #130 Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:48 pm 
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I'm very sorry but I'm having too many things going on in my life now, and I unfortunately don't have enough time to think out my moves carefully. So I guess it's better for me to resign and take a break until things settle down. Thank you for the game :)
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Offline The Intrepid
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Post #131 Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:32 pm 
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But why resign? You can just postpone the game.

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Post #132 Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:35 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm84 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I returned after two months of not playing. Let's see how much I've dropped.

I feel I should run here, because: (a) black's move in this area would make my four-stone kosumi group look surrounded and seeking for a connection; (b) I want to separate black from friendly forces
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 Post subject: Re: #179 - DJLLAP vs opex
Post #133 Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:07 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm84 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . 1 . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the only move. I considered a-d also. a and b are designed to attack the group on the right. If a, W can simply connect under at f. If b, the cap at e is very severe, and I am not sure that even a could kill that group. d leaves me with a thin shape. c may be good later to find some eye space, but right now it is way to slow.


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[go]$$Wcm84 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . c . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . d . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . e . 1 . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . a O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O . O X b f . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


one possible variation:
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[go]$$Wcm84 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . 1 . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 4 . 3 , 5 . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline opex
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Post #134 Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:33 am 
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[go]$$Wcm86 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 1 , . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Run run run. Two my weak groups might get to work together. Too bad I don't have time to grab territory on the left side.
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Post #135 Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:46 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm86 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 2 . O , . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



It seems to me that the winner of this fight wins the game. I think this is a dangerous situation. If I misplay, my marked stones may be captured leading to a large white center.

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[go]$$Wcm86 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . O , . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My first impulse is to jump ahead again, but after 88, W connects and leaves the marked stones ripe for attack. If I spend a move at a or b to protect them, W can attack my eyeless group on the left. I might leave the marked stones for now and play something like c. Another option is to try and keep the two white groups separated, but I think the shortage of liberties around M8 make any fighting here difficult for B. Also W could just Cap at "87" and B would need to make life locally.

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[go]$$Wcm86 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a b . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . c . . . . . . B . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 2 . O , 3 . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #136 Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:04 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm88 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O , . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 1 . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The most interesting move for me. It doesn't necessarily connect, but it puts pressure on black's four-stone group making use of my dead J shape, and threatens to capture two lonely black stones thus making territory and easy life. There are variations in which my running group gets cut, though, and it is for this reason that i don't make any forcing moves yet: i might need to cut through these one point jumps. I thought of h15, f16 and peeps, but i feel like i shouldn't solidify him yet.

Why do i get spaces in front of $$ when copying diagram code...
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Post #137 Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:29 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm88 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O , . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think I can afford a tenuki here, so this seems the only move. The game can go in so many directions from here depending on where W plays next. Will he connect in gote? try to capture my floating stones? or make territory on the side?
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Post #138 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:39 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm90 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O , . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If black took this point I wouldn't know what to do.
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Post #139 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:54 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm90 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O 2 . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now I divide and conquer. I have a good chance of launching a sever attack on one of these two groups now.
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Post #140 Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:17 am 
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[go]$$Wcm92 Captures: b - 1, w - 7.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 1 O . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

困ってるんですね

If he wins this fight he will win the game.

I considered also
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[go]$$Wcm92 Black can connect at least one stone
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 X 3 . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . O X . . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . O 2 O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm92 Very bad: my group gets cut, his connected
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 2 4 X . . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X 6 O X 1 . O . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 5 O . O O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X X X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . O X O X . . O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . O X X . . O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . O X . O O . O |
$$ | . . O O . X X . . , X . X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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