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Offline Bonobo
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #121 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:43 am 
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Yes, I’m still watching, Topazg :) but, sadly, due to my new job/employment (which is NOT sad) I’m not able to read all your nice comments which formerly I always was eager to read.

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #122 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:49 am 
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Bonobo wrote:
Yes, I’m still watching, Topazg :) but, sadly, due to my new job/employment (which is NOT sad) I’m not able to read all your nice comments which formerly I always was eager to read.


I can't think of a better reason not to be able to read my ramblings :D

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #123 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:00 am 
Tengen
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #124 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:14 am 
Tengen
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Kikashi before defending ..
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #125 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:02 pm 
Tengen
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 4 O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #126 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:32 pm 
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Sverre wrote:
Can White really take sente here?
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That's interesting. What sequence were you thinking of after the following response?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 2 . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #127 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:46 pm 
Tengen
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 4 O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was so tempted to ignore the peep and play something else big, but this really is huge, and it increases the aji in other places (like a possible B12 peep later), so I think I really have to.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #128 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:50 pm 
Tengen
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 4 O X . 6 . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline jts
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #129 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:51 pm 
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Topazg:

any thoughts on why you played that kikashi rather than the squeeze?
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #130 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm81 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 8 X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 4 . . X . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . 2 . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X 6 O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X 7 X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

81: black influence is growing..if he stabalize his group that will turn influence into points..that is why i twisted my plan and probe.
83 and 84 exchange was painful for black...he lost more than he gained IMO.
85 was too~~ small. upper left corner is bigger than that point. middle left one stone is big too but it is gote...

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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 4 O X . 6 . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

my peep 92 is very painful for black and he must feel that. But he didnt have any other choice after that small 85 was played.
now i expect him to live in gote with two eye (he might die).. losing middle influence giving me some points there.. and big endgame.
it is all because of 85

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #131 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:49 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 4 O X . 6 . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . 7 . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Some basic reading:

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[go]$$Bcm97 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X 4 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X 5 O 6 . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . 1 2 . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Somewhat painful, but it should live. The game is hard from here... enter Sir Magicwand the dragonslayer!


@jts:

If you mean throwing in first, yeah, it's because this way he can't capture the lone stone and we both have one more liberty (which I need more than him right now!) - is that the squeeze you meant?
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #132 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:15 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 4 O X . 6 . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . 7 8 . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
every stone around this area is my gain

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Post #133 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:18 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 4 O X . 6 . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . 7 8 . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #134 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:24 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm91 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . 1 O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 X 5 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . 9 0 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O 4 O X . 6 . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . 7 8 . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
wrong sequence by my opponent..IMO

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Post #135 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:17 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And I think I live now ... painfully, but alive. It looks like the lack of sente from my hane at :b85: was a lot more costly than I thought - I don't know why I'd expected White to keep that stone dead :(

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Post #136 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:02 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #181 magicwand vs topazg (again!)
Post #137 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:05 am 
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That's interesting. What sequence were you thinking of after the following response?


I'm not at all sure, I was just playing around with a few sequences. What happens after Black 3?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 2 . 6 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 O O . O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #138 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:13 am 
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What happens after Black 3?
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 2 . 6 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 3 X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 O O . O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sick sequence! I'll need to look at it again tomorrow, but cursory analysis suggests the following possible variation for White:
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[go]$$Bcm5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . O 8 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O 7 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X 5 O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O O O 6 O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . 2 X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . 3 X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm13
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . 2 O O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O X . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . O X O X O O X . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 1 X X X X X X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #139 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O 3 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X 5 X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . 6 . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this is what i expect but i didnt trigger it because he might choose to play something else.
if above happen, i think he might die.

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Post #140 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:21 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X O 3 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X 5 X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . X X X X X . 6 . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this is what i expect but i didnt trigger it because he might choose to play something else.
if above happen, i think he might die.


Only for observers:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 O 6 X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 . 5 O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 3 . X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . 2 . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . 4 X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this lives.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . X . . X . O . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . X . . X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O . . X . . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . O . O . . . O X X X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . O X X X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O X . O . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . X O X O O X . X O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . 2 4 X X X X X . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . 3 . . . . . . . O . O . O . . |
$$ | . . X X 5 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . X O O . O . . X O . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . O . X O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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