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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #121 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:58 am 
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #122 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:31 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
K5

MHO is apparently on a cell phone, so I'll post the full board for observers.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #123 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:19 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It is a hane at the head of two stones, and it helps my lower right group get out, and it keeps his groups separated, and it makes J4 a problem for him.
How could I choose anything else?

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #124 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:58 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #125 Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:57 am 
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I'm on vacation right now, and finding that it is difficult to analyze a position like this without my board.
I'll post in about a week.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #126 Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:42 pm 
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O B O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O B O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a b . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He can't let me hane at 'a', for then I'd have haned both ends of his two stone group, with H4 taking the bamboo point.
He can't play 'a' himself without giving me 'b', which starts to give me a big secure corner, and H4 is still perfectly positioned to spoil his shape.
He may have to attach to H4 three times to neurtalize it.

And if I he doesn't do something about H4, he'll be losing sleep wondering when I'll play J5. :lol:


EDIT:
One other problem for him that is waiting is that I can take the corner in sente:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O 2 O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The 1-2 exchange is forced, then 3 threatens 5, which would make his second eye very dificult. So 3 is sente.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #127 Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:09 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

finally he moved.. this is the only move for me...
somehow i dont think what he played is correct..

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #128 Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As planned, I'll take a corner and leave him with shape problems. It is hard to say if those shape problems are big enough to mean that I have sente.
I expect him to disregard that issue, leave the bad aji, and go after the lower left hoshi stone.

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Post #129 Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:17 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if i can get this sente and a:b trade and if i can claim c then i think i have good chance to win this game.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . c . . . . W X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #130 Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, MW plays it safe. I really thought that he might go after my lower left corner. He will, no doubt, if given a chance.

But doing so takes two moves: an approach at 'a' or 'b', plus a confining move around 'c'. And even then, I can attach to 'b' at 'a' and vice versa. I can also play 'd'.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . h . . O X O X g . . |
$$ | . . a b . . . . W X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . c . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . e . |
$$ | . . . . . d . . . O X . . . . . f . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The lower right corner is dual sente: we both want 'e'. It is sente for hm to play 'f' and for me to to take 'g'.

So my first impulse is to just play 'e'. But it is so vulgar! It just has a tromping-around-in-army-boots kinda feel to it. And he can answer it with 'h', which further endangers my 11th rank group.
Besides that, I can hardly criticize him for playing A17, and then play S4 myself. :)

I really don't like it, despite its obvious virtues, so I'm going to look for something better.

'Something better' has to be a rather large sente. There are a few:

K13 saves a few loose stones and threatens to play J16 which would take large territory, combining two of my not-definitely-alive groups, kill a handful of his stones, and invade deep into his territory. It also gives me a three-stone instead of a two-stone wall facing westward in case I have to run or make eyes.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X 3 . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . 1 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 2 . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . # X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It also threatens to bring M14 and N15 back into play:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O X O O O B . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O B O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . # X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I'm going to improve my situation a bit up top in sente. I'm threatening a lot in one move, whereas he must use two moves to threaten any serious harm in the lower left or lower right.
I'm pretty sure that he has to answer.

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Post #131 Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:15 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . W X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O C O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #132 Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:20 am 
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before that trade i had many aji that bothered me. now i punikied that problem and now worryfree.
i hope joaz realize that last trade was an aji-keshi.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . W X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O C O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #133 Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:59 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, I'm grabbing territory in gote. :o
By my count, I'm ahead by about 10 points - although the borders of his territory are hard to define. I have no serious weaknesses. I have at least as much influence as he does.
So, MW, do your worst. :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo: :rambo:

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Post #134 Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:48 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
upper left a is looking to cut at b
upper right a anb b is my sente hopefully
i think i came from 3 stone handy to make it an even game..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . b . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . a X . . . |
$$ | . . . X b . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #135 Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:11 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X B . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he doesn't answer this, I'll kill him. :cool:
It gets me a bit more territory, and now S6 connects my middle group if MW gets to play R12 first.

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Post #136 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:59 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X X W . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O X O X X W . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

that trade was terrorable for black....
now his 'a' is not sente so he will have to answer my double approach...
now i have thickness in the middle..so it will limit his option.
dont get me wrong...black is still ahead. I am trying to pointout that he can finish me so easily and he is not doing it.

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Post #137 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:21 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
If he doesn't answer this, I'll kill him. :cool:


Did you consider he might live in sente? Or perhaps live with a gote move which is bigger than the move you played?
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Post #138 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:15 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The only reasonable move

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Post #139 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:31 am 
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Did you consider he might live in sente?


Yes, of course. According to my reading, he can't.


Uberdude wrote:
... Or perhaps live with a gote move which is bigger than the move you played?


I got maybe four points. Or more if I get R12 first. He gets a point or two around M8 when he makes his second eye. He can get a little influence around L9. I don't see that as being worth much since we both have influence nearby.
That seems a net profit for me.

And - if I read correctly - I still have the connection underneath at S6.

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Post #140 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:34 am 
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It's certainly basic instinct, but is it really the best way to profit from attacking this group? Which result is better for black:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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The second diagram black's nobi into the centre looks rather more valuable to me that faffing about on the right side. It really sucks if white gets to atari there and you do connect as it is horribly forced, but it also sucks to tenuki as then white is very strong if he captures the stone. If black realizes trading profit on the side for white profit in the centre is a bad way to attack the group, how about the below. Black's nobi at one is big to stop white attaching there for shape and doing mean things to the corner later. As super-added-magic-bonus :b7: has already connected at r12.

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