Life In 19x19 :: #201 drmwc vs lovelove

Resisting as below looks like it may be better for me, but it's risky.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . 7 . . 0 . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . 5 2 4 . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O 6 3 X 8 . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . 9 . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X . . | $$ | O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . 3 . | $$ | . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X 1 2 . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . X . . O . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . X O O . 6 . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O O X X O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . X 4 . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X 5 . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

W gets a ko here.

I probably have stronger moves in the second diagram (e.g. 1 at 2 may work, altough I think I collapse) but it's not very clearcut at all.

126 is a good move. It is double sente. It would been nice have taken a chance to play as shown:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | 8 O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | 7 O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . b . X X . . a O X O . X . | $$ | 6 O 9 X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . | $$ | 2 1 X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 4 O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | 5 3 X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | O O X O X 3 . . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | 2 O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . . . X X . . . O X O . X . | $$ | O O 1 X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . | $$ | O X X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | O O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | X X X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Maybe I could have played this sequence insttead of 123. I was worried that move 1 in the first diagram may not really be sente, but it leaves a huge move behind.

There are various possible ways of resisting W 126, but none of them look very good. For example, atari at a in the first diagram potentially loses point.

For W 127, I have left a peep behind at b. This clearly loses me some points. I beleive that 127 is more efficient on the upper side, which regains those points, for example:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$cm127 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 8 . O X X X X X X X . . | $$ | . . . O O 4 O 7 9 . O O X O O . O . . | $$ | . O X O X O 3 . . O . . O . O , O . . | $$ | . O O X X 1 5 X . . . . . . O X X O . | $$ | O X X . X . 2 . X X . . . O X O . X . | $$ | . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . | $$ | . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . 6 . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . | $$ | X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . | $$ | . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . | $$ | . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . | $$ | . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If something like this happens, the 29-30 exchange is reasonably helpful to me.

Author:	drmwc [ Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
I went for a 12 mile walk today. En route back, I got a puncture and the tyre fell off my car. I don't have a spare tyre, since my car is a silly new one, and it took the AA over 4 hours to send a pick-up truck. None of this is stictly relevant to the game, of course. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm111 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| 2 1 X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . 5 . . . O . X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| 3 O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . 4 X O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O X O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] If lovelove connects, my thinking is as follows: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm111 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . 8 . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . 7 9 . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| 2 1 X . X . . . . g . . . O X O . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . 5 . . . O . X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O 6 O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O b . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| 3 O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . 4 X O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O X O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X a O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] a and b are approximate miai. I am threatening c, so 6 is tempting for W (although it may not be mistake.) 11 and 13 are quite, and my sente, Following this, W has around 16 points top left. (c still works). Top right is likely to be quite small - it may be as low as 4 points. Bottome left is 10 points. If W plays at a, the lower side group has around 30 points. Total: 60 plus komi. B has around 50 points RHS, 20 points LHS (if I get b - 12 points if not. But I gave W a in this count, so giving me b seems fair.) 5 points top right. Total: 75. B leads by around 10. The one line I will give further thought to before playing 7 is a W respsone at g (to 7).

Author:	lovelove [ Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:58 pm ]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm111 B: 2 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O 6 O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	EdLee [ Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:35 pm ]
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drmwc wrote: I got a puncture and the tyre fell off my car. I don't have a spare tyre, since my car is a silly new one, and it took the AA over 4 hours to send a pick-up truck. That's super annoying. What's the connection between the car new and no spare?

Author:	tj86430 [ Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:00 pm ]
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EdLee wrote: drmwc wrote: I got a puncture and the tyre fell off my car. I don't have a spare tyre, since my car is a silly new one, and it took the AA over 4 hours to send a pick-up truck. That's super annoying. What's the connection between the car new and no spare? Many new cars don't have a spare by default, although they should have repair-kit (repair foam and a small compressor) instead. Most cars can be ordered with a spare as an extra feature though.

Author:	drmwc [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
I have a puncture repair kit. However, since the tyre flew off, using it would be like trying to use a plaster to cure a severed limb. My car is now repaired, and no-one was hurt, so it's not too bad. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm111 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . 7 . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] As planned. One possible line: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . 6 4 . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O 3 . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . 5 . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . 1 . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . 2 . . . . O X O . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O 9 O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O 0 O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X 8 O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] and B seems to have a small lead.

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#201 drmwc vs lovelove http://www.lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=7559	Page 7 of 11

Author:	lovelove [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:26 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm111 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	topazg [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:01 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
@lovelove How do you feel the game is going, small lead for either side or about even?

Author:	drmwc [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm111 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O 9 . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Resisting as below looks like it may be better for me, but it's risky. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . 7 . . 0 . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . 5 2 4 . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O 6 3 X 8 . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . 9 . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . 3 . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X . . . O . X X X 1 2 . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . X . . O . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . X O O . 6 . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O O X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . X 4 . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X 5 . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] W gets a ko here. I probably have stronger moves in the second diagram (e.g. 1 at 2 may work, altough I think I collapse) but it's not very clearcut at all.

Author:	lovelove [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm120 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X 1 . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . . . . . . O X O . 2 . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X . . . O 3 X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I'm now 100% sure of my win.

Author:	Loons [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:05 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
I feel like white's ahead by komi.

Author:	drmwc [ Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:18 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm120 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . . 4 . . . O X O . X . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X . . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	lovelove [ Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:40 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm121 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . . X . . . O X O . X . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X 4 . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	The Intrepid [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
I am disappointed in lovelove! How could he betray his name and fail to complete the "heart" formation! Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm121 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . W W X W W . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . W . . W . W , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . W X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . . X Q . . W X O . X . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X . . . W W X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	wineandgolover [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:31 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Seems even on the board, with white maybe slightly ahead, but more reduceable. Finding enough to make up komi seems hard though. But I suck at counting far worse than drmwc. Kinda sad we didn't have a nice brawl.

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Author:	Magicwand [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:41 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
i think it is too close to call. white can not say he is winning yet. My question on black's comment... how can he say a and b are miai? "a" is gote and "b" is sente. they can not be miai. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm111 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . 8 . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . 7 9 . . . . . O X X . . \| $$ \| 2 1 X . X . . . . g . . . O X O . . . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . 5 . . . O . X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O 6 O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O b . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| 3 O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . 4 X O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O X O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X a O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	drmwc [ Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:41 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm121 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . 5 X . . . O X O . X . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] My three options are a ,b, c. I'm not sure there's a big difference between c and a - I chose a because it's tighter. b is probably a mnistake. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm121 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X b c e . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . a X . . . O X O . X . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] If W plays at e, the contrast between W's shape in the top R and mine in the bottom L is quite entertaining!

Author:	lovelove [ Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm121 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X 6 . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . X X . . . O X O . X . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] I think this is sente. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X 1 . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . 2 . X X . . . O X O . X . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	The Intrepid [ Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:21 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
I think lovelove meant this: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X 1 . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . 3 . X X . . . O X O . X . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \|[/go]

Author:	drmwc [ Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:40 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm121 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X 7 . X . . . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . X X . . . O X O . X . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] 126 is a good move. It is double sente. It would been nice have taken a chance to play as shown: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| 8 O X O X . . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| 7 O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . b . X X . . a O X O . X . \| $$ \| 6 O 9 X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| 2 1 X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| 4 O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| 5 3 X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| O O X O X 3 . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| 2 O O X X . . X . . . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . . . X X . . . O X O . X . \| $$ \| O O 1 X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| O X X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| O O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| X X X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Maybe I could have played this sequence insttead of 123. I was worried that move 1 in the first diagram may not really be sente, but it leaves a huge move behind. There are various possible ways of resisting W 126, but none of them look very good. For example, atari at a in the first diagram potentially loses point. For W 127, I have left a peep behind at b. This clearly loses me some points. I beleive that 127 is more efficient on the upper side, which regains those points, for example: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm127 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . 8 . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O 4 O 7 9 . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X O 3 . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X 1 5 X . . . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . 2 . X X . . . O X O . X . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . 6 . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] If something like this happens, the 29-30 exchange is reasonably helpful to me.

Author:	lovelove [ Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #201 drmwc vs lovelove
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$cm121 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O X X X X X X X . . \| $$ \| . . . O O . O . . . O O X O O . O . . \| $$ \| . O X O X O . . . O . . O . O , O . . \| $$ \| . O O X X X . X . . . . . . O X X O . \| $$ \| O X X . X . 8 . X X . . . O X O . X . \| $$ \| . O . X . . . X O . . O O X X X . . . \| $$ \| . . X X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O O X O O . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . X O X X X X X O . . O . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . X X X X X O . O . . O . X . . . . . \| $$ \| X O O X X O . . . . . . O X . X . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O . O . , . . X O X , . . . \| $$ \| . O . O X O X . . O . . O O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]