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Offline Numsgil
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #141 Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 11:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm97 Move 97 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Continuing my variation

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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #142 Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:58 am 
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[go]$$Wcm98 Move 98 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . 1 X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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J4 is totally expendable if it needs to be. However, this still threatens to loose ladder all 4 Black stones, and at the same time isolates the middle group. Strategically, I want the following points quite badly:

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[go]$$Wcm98 Move 98 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . a . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . 1 X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . c . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think a goodly sized middle territory isn't out of the question, and I think "c" could well become hard to handle later. "b" is intended to make miai out of doing some fun in the top right corner or making some points at the top. "a" and "c" go very well, so we'll just have to see. Dropping into intuition mode here!


Tactics and Variations

I expect something like this, which will be hard for Black:

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[go]$$Wcm98 Move 98 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . 3 1 X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 4 O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #143 Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 4:07 am 
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let me see....
how many black points??? hum.....i will say definitly 10 points possibley 30 points...
how about white...hum..def 100 points and possibly...150 points.

i think it is about time he resign.

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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #144 Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:27 am 
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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
This way white has lost his side group.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 4 O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 3 2 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 3 O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 4 . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something like this let's me use the aji of my corner to build a strong wall and get some solid territory on the left side. So it's possible white could play like this.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X 2 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 5 O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 6 7 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 3 O X 4 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Same this way.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 7 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 5 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 O X 4 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Works this way, too.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 7 O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 5 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 O X 4 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #145 Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:31 am 
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Actually, this way would fail for black:

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 5 4 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But this way works. Black has sente.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 7 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 4 O 1 O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 3 9 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 O X 6 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #146 Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:52 am 
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[go]$$Wcm100 Move 100 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . 1 . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Ok, I'm glad about that. I was a bit worried about Black getting J3, which looked like there were some awkward sequences. Even if Black just pushes out first, there was some nasty aji which Black has now removed for me. Now my 4-3 corner invasion in the lower left is beginning to look quite interesting. I want to see if I can isolate F3 properly from this mini-running dragon thing, and then play it. I could get a useful rip-off for the remaining 20 points or so I want there.

The top right I really want to play, but I'll play the 2-4 if Black extends along the top edge anyway, so either there will be a complicated fight again, or I'll get that corner from him in exchange for thickness - it's hard to not let him get thick up there if he gets 4 moves in anyway.
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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #147 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:09 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm98 Move 98 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . a X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O . O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Why don't white play this simple move of pushing through? Then white will have no cutting point.

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[go]$$Bcm99 Move 99 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O a O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . b . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And then black must play that aji keshi move at a... just extend here already!

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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #148 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:58 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks like an overplay, but I don't think it is. I don't think I can show all possible responses (spent the better part of the last 30 minutes working on them in CGoban), but this is what I think the most likely one is:

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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . 5 . 6 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . 7 O X 4 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O 2 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white cuts, something like this is the result (maybe. There are a lot of potential responses from either side.)
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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 9 . 7 . 8 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X 6 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 5 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I could try to think of a way to lead to less complicated fighting. It's probably even the most reasonable thing to do if I want to win. But I think this way is more fun :P

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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #149 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:13 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looks like an overplay, but I don't think it is. I don't think I can show all possible responses (spent the better part of the last 30 minutes working on them in CGoban), but this is what I think the most likely one is:

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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . 5 . 6 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . 7 O X 4 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O 2 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white cuts, something like this is the result (maybe. There are a lot of potential responses from either side.)
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[go]$$Bcm101 Move 101 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . 9 . 7 . 8 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X 6 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 5 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 1 O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I could try to think of a way to lead to less complicated fighting. It's probably even the most reasonable thing to do if I want to win. But I think this way is more fun :P


I think black is trying too hard. White can just connect his cutting point now, and black is left trying to deal with things.
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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #150 Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:51 am 
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[go]$$Wcm102 Move 102 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Well, I feel a bit silly playing this move, as my hane looks incredibly slow to me now, but I think it's the right thing to do. I'm always preaching that weak/strong group battles are vitally important, and how it's crucial not to have the weakest "important" group (like in this case, valuable cutting stones) in a big fight. If Black played my latest move straight after the hane, I was going to extend and feel quite happy, but the more these stones go on the board, the more the move just looked like overplay, and a rather bad aji one at that - I think fixing is big enough to take as gote. It's only semi-sente here, because if Black connects solidly, I sort of want to defend too (see variation 1 in tactics) - just not enough to actually defend just yet ;)


Tactics and Variations

I wanted to cut, but it's all overplay. My lower group is simply not strong enough to play this way:

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[go]$$Wcm102 Move 102 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . 5 . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 4 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 1 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 9 O 6 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 8 7 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'd marked the middle area as dame anyway when I counted, and I want a secure right hand side group. So instead, let's build up a big ol' attack and take that point in the right I really wanted, that way, I might just start getting those other points back.:

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[go]$$Wcm102 Move 102 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 7 . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . 3 5 . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . 4 6 . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O a O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . b O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The aji at "a" isn't insignificant if Black connects solidly, and I'd have to give up my 2 stones, but that's ok, it's smaller than the rest of the board.
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Post #151 Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 6:18 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm103 Move 103 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O 1 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Tactics and Variations
Fail for white.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O 1 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 3 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Fail for white again:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 3 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . 9 X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 8 6 O 1 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 7 5 2 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So something like this instead:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . 3 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . 7 X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 5 4 O 1 O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #152 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:53 am 
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[go]$$Wcm104 Move 104 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 3 O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Well, that again feels aji-keshi for Black - I suppose he doesn't need to worry about wasting ko threats with the top left as it is.

So, I've deviated from my previous analysis because he pushed first. Why? Because he's taken away his own liberties, and I think the Black group's in real danger now if he doesn't take another move to protect. I think it's gone from a really big reverse sente move to virtually double sente, so not only is it relatively very important to me, it's a lot more dangerous for him to treat it as gote.

What's more, even if he protects at G3, I can cut straight away at G4, so everything looks uncomfortable to me. However, G4 can wait - my first priority is the top and upper side as in my last analysis - something like this perhaps?

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[go]$$Wcm104 Move 104 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 9 . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . 5 7 . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . 6 8 . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . 4 . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 3 O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations

If I don't play 106, he captures in sente, and that's really very big - at least 10 points I think:

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[go]$$Wcm104 Move 104 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 1 O X 5 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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As the net doesn't work, if he simply blocks to keep my liberties down, he's got a lot of nasty aji here...

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[go]$$Wcm104 Move 104 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 7 2 X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . 5 X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 4 3 O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #153 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:58 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm107 Move 107 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
This seems to be better shape for me than what I had in my last variation. White has sente now, though. But I don't want to take sente and let white make a move like G4 or something like that, since to save my stones I'd end up hurting my corner.

On a grand strategy level, white's right side is almost connected to his left side, so my hope of attacking the white right group is more or less gone now. I can still aim at a separating move later, though, since I have some lightly placed black stones in the center. But I doubt I can threaten to kill the white group anymore.


Tactics and Variations
So some ideas:

This is not great for black. White has good prospects at forming large center territory, and breaking up the top.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . 2 . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . 5 . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O 4 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This doesn't end well for black, either.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O 3 . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O 4 O . 7 6 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . 9 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . 0 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So something like this, I think.

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[go]$$Bcm107 Move 107 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . 2. . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . 4 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . 3 . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . 7 . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #154 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:11 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm108 Move 108 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . 1 . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

As per previous analysis...
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[go]$$Bcm109 Move 109 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O 2 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Not one of the moves I was expecting, but still big for white.

Instead of responding locally (and making my black stones in the center heavy) I'll take another big move at the top.

But before I do that even, I'll make a forcing move (if white ignores):

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O 6 O 3 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O 5 4 7 X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The variations below are before I thought to make the forcing move. But they explain the reasoning behind the move after.


Tactics and Variations
Not good for black:

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[go]$$Bcm109 Move 109 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . 6 7 . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . 2 1 . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X 4 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O 5 . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


White captures the two stones in a ladder. White can then invade the corner.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O 4 3 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X 2 . 1 . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ladder at G8 favors white.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X 2 . 1 . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O 4 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . 5 . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . 8 6 7 . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 9 . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


F7 is a sacrifice, but I can start peeking into white's center.
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[go]$$Bcm109 Move 109 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X 2 . 1 . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O 4 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 8 6 5 9 0 . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . 7 . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This reduction also makes sense. Right on the door of the moyo that formed.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X 2 . 1 . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O 4 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #156 Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 5:07 pm 
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I wonder why Black expects White to play at K17 after 11 (all variations pertaining to 11 in his Tactics section has it). You can find coins on the ground that are more valuable than those two Black stones; they serve no purpose and do nothing on the White group attached to it.

For Black to play 'a' and take the corner is better. 11 does not protect the corner and White could consider invading (e.g: at 'b') to take more territory away from Black.

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[go]$$Bcm109 Move 109 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . 3 . . a b . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O 2 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #157 Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:34 am 
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[go]$$Wcm110 Move 110 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Firstly, I think you should never show your tenuki in triggers in Malkovich games. It's not going to make a great deal of difference to me because my last move was preparing the top anyway, so it's not as if I hadn't noticed that's the biggest area on the board, but it does mean I could have for example played up there myself instead of responding locally if I so wished. Triggers are best left as the local moves!

So, I'm not too unhappy with this peep, but there's no way I'm going to block directly. The two stones he threatens to cut off aren't that big, and I'll gladly exchange them for swallowing up the middle in a big way. a > b below in my opinion:

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[go]$$Wcm110 Move 110 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O a a a . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . a a a . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X a a . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . b b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O b . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . b X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations

The other advantage I have, is if he does play the cutting move, I'm going to jump to the top side and exchange for big gains in the middle area, he can't easily punish locally:

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[go]$$Wcm110 Move 110 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 3 . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . 9 , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . 6 O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X 5 4 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O 7 O 2 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . 8 . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he tries to cut the other way, it's a complete disaster as he's caught in a ladder:

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[go]$$Wcm110 Move 110 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 3 . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . 9 . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O 1 8 0 . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X 3 2 X 6 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O 4 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . 5 . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm120 Move 120 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 3 . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , 3 5 . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . O 2 4 6 |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O X X 1 7 |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . O . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And if he responds to 112 to let me get back to that corner, I can either sacrifice those stones in sente:

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[go]$$Wcm110 Move 110 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . 3 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O 2 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


or I can look to fix the cut cutely:

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[go]$$Wcm110 Move 110 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O 2 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . 5 3 X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Or, as he may connect out instead of Block, I need to read this fun line:

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[go]$$Wcm110 Move 110 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O 2 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . 4 3 X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So much fun to have :)
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Offline Numsgil
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #158 Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:47 am 
Lives in gote
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[go]$$Bcm111 Move 111 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
I don't see any really great follow ups that preserve sente, so I'll leave it as a forcing move for now and go elsewhere.

This is great for black.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . 0 9 . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X 5 7 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O 1 O O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O 4 2 3 X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white blocks the other way, though, there's not a great follow up.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O 1 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . 3 4 X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X 8 6 X 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O 7 O 1 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O 5 4 3 X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #159 Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 10:33 am 
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[go]$$Wcm112 Move 112 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . 1 X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Protecting the cut in sente before returning to the top right. Now I can hane around the two and make things very unpleasant indeed for Black's entire corner, so I think this must be sente, and that cutting point is mostly fixed now
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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #160 Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:57 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm113 Move 113 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
I have to respond, because of this sequence:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X 3 2 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Other than the 3-4 exchange, I don't see a compelling white follow-up here after I defend. So maybe there was a weakness in white's position I didn't see originally and he's just moving to fix it in sente.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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