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Offline tj86430
 Post subject: Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Post #141 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:36 am 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X 4 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It seems that my original plan doesn't work. I have to give up those stones and concentrate on strengthening my two groups and thus attacking his group in the middle. Current plan:

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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O 5 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X 4 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Continuation depending on how he responds.

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 132 Kirby vs. tj86430 (4-stone hcp)
Post #142 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:55 am 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O 5 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I still don't have a great feeling about this game. I'll keep playing, though.

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Post #143 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:28 am 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #144 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:43 am 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have no idea what I should do...

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Post #145 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:53 am 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's see what I have misread this time.

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Post #146 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:39 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . 9 8 O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not much hope...

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Post #147 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:58 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 2 . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm still willing to sacrifice the whole upper left corner, if I get enough compensation in the center. Of course I hope it doesn't come to that.

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Post #148 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:08 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 3 X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I've lost this game, but I still feel like there is a small chance. I'll keep playing.

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Post #149 Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:44 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 4 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There are many interesting options, but this one looks like the safest. I hope I haven't made any too terrible reading mistakes.

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Post #150 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:13 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 5 . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #151 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:39 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just as an aside, I wonder if this has any chance...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O 4 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O 3 2 5 8 . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X 6 O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Darn :)

Anyways Black should come out okay on the side once he plays D12. White 87 really looked like overplay.

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Post #152 Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:29 am 
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yithril's sequence doesn't save the three black stones, but at least it can capture some of white stones by the edge, therefore making all black groups comfortable. perhaps not the time right now (certainly not before b D12 and splitting white), but a nice possibility afterwards

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 152-1
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$$ | . . 9 7 . 4 3 O 1 2 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O 6 O O X O O O X 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X 5 O X X X X O X X X O . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #153 Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:12 pm 
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I'm extremely sorry for the long silence, I was traveling and I thought I'd have a decent internet access, but that was not the case. I'm back now, and I will try to make my next move later today.

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Post #154 Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:03 am 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X 6 O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This line has some risks, but OTOH it makes things interesting. I haven't had time to read nearly all the variations, but my goal is to either live with the group (creating one eye around E13 and another one in the corner), or break out (and simultaneously kill white G13). The downside is, that my K14 group will lose one liberty, and white can harass it and destroy quite a bit of my potential territory around O12, but if I live with all my groups, I will win comfortably.

The other option would be to play e.g. N13, abandoning the whole corner and trying to secure a huge center, but I think I will learn more from this option. (I can still choose this option after white responds with the mandatory G15)

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Post #155 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:53 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O 7 X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've got to do something to turn this game around. I don't want to sacrifice these stones, though, because they seem important for getting forcing moves in later.

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Post #156 Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:41 am 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X 8 O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's go with the original plan. I expect him to seal me in with F11, after which I intend to live by making two eyes. He can attack my other weak group and reduce my center territory, but I should be ok.

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Post #157 Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:38 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm91 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 9 X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am so losing this game. I promised chew, though, that I would keep playing for awhile.

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Post #158 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:28 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Hmmm...

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[go]$$Wcm101 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O O X X O O X O . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X X O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 O . O X . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's see if this can work out for me...

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