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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #141 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #124-126 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . W X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #142 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:41 pm 
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My prediction:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #124-126 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O a X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . b . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The upper right black group is alive because 'a' and 'b' are miai.

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Offline Laman
 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #143 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:23 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #128 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . B . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i almost hoped i would be able to live even after tenuki, but white can get at least ko and i dont think there's a move worth playing ko for my dragon. i chose my actual move because it seems to best in terms of territory compared to other possible moves in the area, although maybe it creates some bad aji for me.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 1: after tenuki... ko at 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . B . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . 8 O 2 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . 0 4 1 6 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . 9 X 5 X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O 7 X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #144 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:57 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #128 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . W O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #145 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:51 am 
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My prediction:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #124-126 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O a X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . b . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The upper right black group is alive because 'a' and 'b' are miai.


This tenuki looks a bit dangerous. There seems to be a ko - I'm not sure if it's playable for white yet though, if he loses it he instantly loses the game.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #124-126 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . 9 O 3 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . 5 2 7 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . 6 X 0 X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O 8 X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #124-126 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X O X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . X . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . 1 . X 2 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . O X O X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


EDIT: after the game exchange, the aji seems to have disappeared - so if I'm not mistaken, white's last move was gote. Let's see if Laman capitalises on this :).

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Last edited by gaius on Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:37 am, edited 3 times in total.
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 Post subject: Re: 38. Laman (1d) vs. Magicwand (3d)
Post #146 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:28 am 
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To backtrack a little bit, why was this move not played at a? After that, b would be black's sente. Somehow, black's shape in the game feels a little strange and slack.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #106 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . b . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . B a O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sure, white can make a little excursion into black territory - but 3 makes black strong too, and white now needs to spend a move at c.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #106 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 2 3 . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 1 O c . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . 7 6 4 . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O . X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #147 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:50 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #130 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . B X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

ok, so in the end it is life in sente. next i want to play some sente endgame, starting probably with P4, O4, E4, then maybe J17 and finishing in gote with R5 or J9

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Post #148 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:54 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #130 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . W X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . . O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #149 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:15 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #132 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . B O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

feels like a bit of aji keshi, but i can't see what could happen here to allow me to utilize the aji, so i just take sente endgame reduction

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Post #150 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:41 am 
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After a quick count I think magicwand will win this game, I guess he plays the better endgame and right now the territory looks even.
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Post #151 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:40 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #132 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O . X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . W . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

sorry about taking so long...i thought i played this move...but i dont see what i posted
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Post #152 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:22 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #134 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O B X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

no problem, i think little break can't do any harm

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Post #153 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:52 am 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #134 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . W . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #154 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:06 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #136 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X B . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

exchange of last two moves wasnt very beneficial for me, i should try harder

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Post #155 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:07 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #136 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X W . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . . . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #156 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:55 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . B . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

hmm, i thought quite a lot about this one. i would like to play several moves, but none of them looks like sente. i wonder what would some stronger player recommend me to play here, or generally how to evaluate such position. i almost played R5, then i changed my mind and chose J9
candidates:
M19 - looks very big, especially compared with w N19. but even after w N19 i can still play K18, + N19 is gote
J9 - also nice, seems that i can eventually do something from the other side, but not really much. has continuation if white tenukis
R5 - big, settles my group once and for good, sente continuation at T4
E4 - not extra big, feels like sente, but i can't do really much if white ignores
even with written arguments, i cant clearly decide which move to play, my intuition said J9, so i trust it :)

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Post #157 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:59 pm 
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Am I missing something here? How can Black live? If I'm right, it will be very funny to see one side *suddenly* see the problem with this and fix it, especially since both sides have played at least 5 moves elsewhere. And we all know peeking is against the rules... :).
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #158 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:24 pm 
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Am I missing something here? How can Black live? If I'm right, it will be very funny to see one side *suddenly* see the problem with this and fix it, especially since both sides have played at least 5 moves elsewhere. And we all know peeking is against the rules... :).
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 5 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . 6 X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O 4 X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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Post #159 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:45 pm 
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Bill Spight wrote:
Araban wrote:
Am I missing something here? How can Black live? If I'm right, it will be very funny to see one side *suddenly* see the problem with this and fix it, especially since both sides have played at least 5 moves elsewhere. And we all know peeking is against the rules... :).
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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O , X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Move #138 - Prisoners: B=2, W=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X X O . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O . . . . O X 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . O O 2 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . O X X 1 5 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O . . O . . 6 X . X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . X O , . . O O O 4 X O . |
$$ | . . . X . X X . X . . O X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . O X O . . X . . . O X O X . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . O O . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . O . X . . X X X X . |
$$ | X X . . . O X X X O X . . . . . . O . |
$$ | O X X X . . O X . X . . O X X O . X . |
$$ | O O O O . O . O X X X . O . O . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #160 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:47 pm 
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