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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #141 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:40 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . W . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #142 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:51 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #143 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:35 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

these are the points that i considered but can not make up my mind.
probe is always good because it will give your opponent a chance to make mistake...
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . b . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . d . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . a c . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X 4 . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 W . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 4 . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X 2 6 . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . 5 3 X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #144 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:14 am 
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Hmmm...I thought that my last move meant that he couldn't play that... :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
I think that someone has seriously mis-read. :-?

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Post #145 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:16 am 
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To Magicwand:
You've shown some sequences for top-left. But how will your 'probe' help you decide what to do with the lower left corner?
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #146 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:26 pm 
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To Magicwand:
You've shown some sequences for top-left. But how will your 'probe' help you decide what to do with the lower left corner?

It will buy me time for one :)
if he make big mistake on top then i dont have to attack severely and go easy.
it is a probe...and great timing in my opinion.
3 stone handy is not easy...but if i shake him enough times he will make mistake and lose his :cool:

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #147 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:02 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . B O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I do not understand this. :scratch:

It does not work as an invasion, for I can slide underneath.
I does not work as a reduction for it still has to run - and due to my previous move, the running will not be pleasant. It is close to being a prisoner as it stands.

Has he gotten desperate, and is hoping that I will fall for a trap? Nope. I am ahead by a bit, I think, but there are far better opportunities in the lower left.

The attack point for this shape should be E15 - if anything works at all - but even if he splits me, we are runnning toward my stones.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X C . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . B O ? ? ? ? . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . ? ? ? ? ? ? # O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X ? ? ? ? ? ? # X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , ? ? ? ? ? , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . # . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The shaded area is where he seems to want to fight, but this is MY backyard. What is he thinking???

As I said in my previous post, SOMEBODY has mis-read.


I hope that it wasn't me. :-?

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #148 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:28 am 
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I can even choose to cover the weak point immediately:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X C . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 2 X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . B O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |[/go]



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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | 4 X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X C . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . 3 1 O X X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 B O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I have been inexact in previous posts: there are at least TWO places where someone has mis-read. :o

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Offline topazg
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Post #149 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:44 am 
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@Joaz:

I'm curious, why do you expect magicwand to play the gote :w3: in your latest diagram ?
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Post #150 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:13 pm 
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@Joaz:

I'm curious, why do you expect magicwand to play the gote :w3: in your latest diagram ?

I don't: he is way too strong for that. I merely used 3 as an example to show that even the most aggressive play still cannot hurt black.

The point behind it is to show that white has nothing; that black can defend easily. Or that I have mis-read.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #151 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . W . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
upper left trade itself is good for white...
i didnt see this before... so i will play endgame move while i am under attack. perfect timing.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . B O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 2 5 O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i have many puzzle pieces that i need to fit together to create a masterpiece.
i still dont know how to deal with lower left..

i think below sequence is possible.. after i sente punuki then think about how i will play...
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . B O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O 3 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X 6 . O . O O O 5 4 |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . 1 W . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #152 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:35 pm 
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Apparently MW just noticed that M7 kills him.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . # O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


*sigh* I suppose I couldn't expect him to miss it for long.

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Post #153 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:58 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Apparently MW just noticed that M7 kills him.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . # O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


*sigh* I suppose I couldn't expect him to miss it for long.


No it doesn't, does it? :scratch:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X 6 . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 4 1 O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X 3 2 O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #154 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:01 pm 
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@Joaz:
If m7 killed him, why did you answer d13? Surely 50 pts or whatever kill is bigger than an extra white move on left?
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Post #155 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:05 pm 
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topazg wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Apparently MW just noticed that M7 kills him.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . # O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


*sigh* I suppose I couldn't expect him to miss it for long.


No it doesn't, does it? :scratch:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X 6 . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 4 1 O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X 3 2 O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It could work, but it's messy:



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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 7 O 4 1 O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X 3 2 O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


B gets a cut which looks like it'll be good fun. Another way for B:


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O 1 5 O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X 2 3 O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems quite strong for B. So I think MagicWand should have played this rather than the probe:



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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X 1 . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O b X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move is very thick, and removes a lot of bad aji if B gets the connection in (hane at a may be activated after B b, for example.)
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Post #156 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:13 pm 
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If m7 killed him, why did you answer d13? Surely 50 pts or whatever kill is bigger than an extra white move on left?


I'm looking to maximize the certainty of a win, not the margin thereof. I see no reason to allow MW a chance to kill my upper left corner. If I stabilize my group, then - if he notices - he has to stabilize his, and give me sente when doing so. At that point, large portions of the board are decided.

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Post #157 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:25 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . B O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My primary goal is to keep sente here. R5 wrecks the potential eye at S6. We'll probably play a few more yose moves on the right. Eventually he has to come back to a gote move like capturing K6 to ensure his second eye. ( I'll really miss K6, BTW. )
But with sente, I can play something over on the left side or in the lower left corner.

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Post #158 Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:43 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X . W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
as i mentioned before..if i can get sente here i have a good chance of winning this game.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X B O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I suspect that the first person who can tenuiki over to the right will win this game. So I am trying to keep him locked in and unable to make an eye. He keeps threatening to do so.
The question now is how much damage he can do while threatening to make eyes.

The only realistic other option was as below:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 1 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X d , X c . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X b O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O a B X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O X . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But there is too much bad aji at 'a' and 'b', especially after he pushes at 'c'. And in some sequences, he can play 'd' in atari.

So I stick with the bamboo joint.

The next few moves will be MW pushing north and south with some premature yose plays. I'll have to answer them just to keep the pressure on. I'll lose a few points.
But sooner or later, he runs out of such moves, and must play something like the capture at L6 to save his group. Then I have sente. :rambo:

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