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 Post subject: Re: 122. Magicwand vs. Kirby
Post #161 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:38 am 
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Kirby wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My shape is so sad...


Let's agree that Kirby had to answer here. However, let's also consider whether he did everything possible before answering. I think he should have played in two other related areas first...
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O a . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O b d . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O c . O 6 X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X 4 O O . O 7 O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 1 2 . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 O O 5 X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

First, Black should answer :w1: with the atari at :b2:. This forces :w3: and then the connection at :b4: forces :w5:. Next Black plays the atari at :b6:, threatening to connect in the center. Only if White connects at :w7: does Black finally live in the lower left with :b8:. Once Black has made life in the corner, it is much easier for White to decide to ignore :b2: for example.

Black's resulting shape is a little better off than in the game and White's is worse. Specifically, White has a weak point at "a" that Black can aim for. If Black gets a stone there as a part of the fighting on the left side, then the sequence starting with Black "b" will prevent White from making two eyes.

Playing :b68: in the game immediately is the sort of move that we all tend to play when confronting a stronger player. It is easy to be pushed around until we are satisfied to find a "sufficient" play. Meanwhile the opponent has gained a little here and a little more there until the advantage of the handicap stones has disappeared and we are left with nothing to do but lament our poor shape. :grumpy:

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Post #162 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:36 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X 2 . . X X O . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, this shape is terrible, but I think I have time to connect his atari, now.

Overall, I am satisfied so far...

However, I have been losing games for the last little while... :-)


The dreaded B2 Bomber http://senseis.xmp.net/?B2Bomber !

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Post #163 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:47 am 
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i will be on vacation for next two weeks.
i am taking plane to NY - Seattle - Seoul.

i might not be able to post as much during my vacation.

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Post #164 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:06 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, he attached to my stone. I want to strengthen it. I think a hane complicates the matter too much.

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Post #165 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:34 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 7 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
thank you :)

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Post #166 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:46 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 7 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I thought about this, but I changed my mind:
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . 8 . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #167 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:49 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 9 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #168 Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:44 pm 
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Well, I was planning on playing N16 at this point, but his wall looks rather thick...

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Post #169 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:30 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . 0 . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It feels too thin to play here:
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . B . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I look forward to the potential opportunity to attack the marked stone in the future:
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Post #170 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:19 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #171 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:26 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Post #172 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:27 am 
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By the way, I think connecting to Q11 is big, but not urgent at this point... :-p

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Post #173 Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:58 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #174 Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:32 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O 4 . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I opted against this:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 4 . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 3 O X 6 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X 5 8 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . O X . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X 0 B a |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O X 9 . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I could omit :b10: and capture :w5:, but in that case, it's no good to play this way to begin with.

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Post #175 Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:48 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this should be sente ..

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Post #176 Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:56 pm 
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Hmm, I want to respond, but is this OK?

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[go]$$Wcm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . 8 X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #177 Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:12 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 8 . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think that I can let this happen:
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[go]$$Wcm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . 8 X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #178 Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:58 am 
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I don't think that I can let this happen:
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[go]$$Wcm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . 8 X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that it might be possible:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . 1 X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . W O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . 9 . . 3 2 . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O . . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X 7 O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 5 8 . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Of course, you would have to be reasonably sure that this works to play like this. I do not know if I could.

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Post #179 Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:05 pm 
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Post #180 Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:14 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . 0 . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O 9 . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm kind of in a dilemma, because my group is rather weak. His response keeps the pressure on me. The instinctive response I have is to just play here:
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[go]$$Wcm71
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . B . C . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . X O O . . . . . X . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X X O . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . O , X . X . O , . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . O . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . X X O . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . X X X O O X . X O O O . . |
$$ | . O O X O . X O O . O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O X X . . X X O . O X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . O X X . O . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . O X X O . O X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . O . O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's because it protects the cut, and lets me get out. However, he might still put pressure on me in the marked area.

I want to protect the cut in sente, and then get out more.

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