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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich #27 - topazg (1d) vs Numsgil (8k)
Post #181 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:37 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm125 Move 125 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
Something like this and white has walled off the top of his moyo quite solidly (6 is probably unnecessary).
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X 5 O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . 4 X 2 O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Other moves are probably possible, but this seems the best. I take a very large corner. Other moves turn it in to a complicated fight.

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Post #182 Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 12:23 am 
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[go]$$Wcm126 Move 126 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Wow, he wants to give up his top group, and potentially let me connect to my stones? That's a good 15 point exchange :-|

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Post #183 Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 12:57 am 
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[go]$$Bcm127 Move 127 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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This way doesn't end as nice for black as I'd hoped.

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[go]$$Bcm127 Move 127 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . 7 O 1 6 . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X 2 O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , 4 3 X 5 O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way is okay, though it ends in gote.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O 2 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X 3 O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . 4 X 5 O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way ends up reverting to the above more or less, I think.
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[go]$$Bcm127 Move 127 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . 6 O 4 7 . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X 3 O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , 1 2 X 5 O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #184 Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:59 am 
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[go]$$Wcm128 Move 128 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . 1 . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

This is good enough for me, and that's got two of the remaining big points I wanted (F8 being the other). Before Black let me do that to the top I thought it was really close, maybe +/- 5p points. His O15 and P15 moves help him somewhat on the right, but it isn't even close to compensation for that loss at the top middle. If I get F8, I'm happy saying I'm at least 10 points ahead now I think.

I've marked the points I'm looking at, in order from A through to E at the moment. D if it is sente against the corner, C is dependent on how he responds to B (if he's not careful, I might live in the corner instead, which would be game over for Black).

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[go]$$Wcm128 Move 128 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . 1 . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , e . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . a . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O d . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . b X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . c . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #185 Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 2:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm129 Move 129 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . 1 . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Strong move by white. He expands his own moyo while cramping my ability to expand up. But not a move I need to respond to right away.

I now take what I consider to be the largest point available to me. This connects my lone stone here to my strength at the bottom, and should let me peek inside white's moyo and cause some havoc.

Another choice might have been R8, but I think this one is larger. If he ignores it, I can jump even further in, and white just won't have enough points to win.

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Post #186 Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 3:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm130 Move 130 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . 1 . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Grrr, yeah, he got my point. I pick here because he can't push in diagonally, and it fixes my territory as well as I could hope for. My primary reason for 128 coming first was because it a) creates some useful aji against the right edge Black stones, but more importantly b) makes sure his 3 central stones don't get out. I still have some bad aji around there I don't like. I hope I get some of my B->E moves from the previous analysis


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And this is why the diagonal doesn't work:

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[go]$$Wcm130 Move 130 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O 4 2 . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X 3 1 . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O 7 5 6 8 9 . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


4 and 5 are obviously reversible.

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Post #187 Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm131 Move 131 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . 1 . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Can't be a whole lot more aggressive on this side. Something like this doesn't work for black.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . 3 . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O 0 1 2 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X 8 O . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . 9 . 5 6 . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . X 7 . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So instead I just treat it as a forcing move and go on to the next large point.

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Post #188 Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 10:03 pm 
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I think Numsgil is playing a bit better than earlier in the game. Maybe it's just my feeling, but maybe he's improving a bit.

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Post #189 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:21 am 
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[go]$$Wcm132 Move 132 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O 1 X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Ok, that makes some sense, but it removes my hopes of "e". Still, I had bad aji from him playing Q7 anyway (I think that stone at P7 could have escaped that way) which is now fixed, and probably in sente, which means I can aim at B4 too ...

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Post #190 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:49 am 
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I think, even with the reverse komi of -70, White is ahead by a comfortable margin (+10). Taking into account the strength difference in endgame as well, I think now is a good time for Black to consider resigning.

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Post #191 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 1:05 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm133 Move 133 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Need to respond when white attaches. I don't think there's a good follow up for either black or white locally, so white will probably take sente and move somewhere else.

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Post #192 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:48 pm 
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Further thoughts on the last move for observers:

I realised I said it fixed my bad aji, but I didn't explain what that aji was nor why I liked my move, so here's a few extra bits:

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[go]$$Bcm131 Move 131 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . 2 . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X 1 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O 6 O 3 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O 5 4 O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's the line the was upsetting me. If Black pushes at 133 first he can start to run out his liberties, and then my ladder lines work, but not if he extends like this. Now, if I play 132 at 137, I'm going to have lots of cutting points, so I have to decide whether to sacrifice the White stones for thickness (not so good now Black has R11), or connect and have a bunch of stones on dame points (although obviously that's better than being dead stones) in gote.

What I really wanted to do in response was this:

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[go]$$Wcm132 Move 132 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . 1 2 . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . X 3 . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks just so much fun. Sadly, as before Black can now respond Q7 and it all looks unhappy:

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[go]$$Wcm132 Move 132 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . X 3 . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O 7 O 4 O O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O 6 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So, instead, I pick a move that fixes my aji and kills that stone outright, and is likely to take sente as the 132 in that last variation is fairly substantial if Black tenukis.


And, this move :)

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[go]$$Wcm134 Move 134 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . 1 X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

This feels like a good sente reduction to me. The only way it goes really badly for Black is if he thinks he can get away with B5 or C5, which I intend to play out as in the Black box


Tactics and Variations

B5 - Continuation in further tactics and variations

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[go]$$Wcm134 Move 134 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . 2 6 . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | 8 1 X 5 . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 9 . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


C5

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[go]$$Wcm134 Move 134 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . 8 2 . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | 9 . 3 4 . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 5 6 . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


C3

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[go]$$Wcm134 Move 134 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


B3 - Sente because of "138"

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[go]$$Wcm134 Move 134 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . 3 . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . 2 5 . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm143 Move 143 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . 7 X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 4 8 9 . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X X 2 6 X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . 0 . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | 1 O . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm143 Move 143 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X X 1 . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | 4 O b . 2 3 . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . a 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm143 Move 143 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | 8 . 4 3 5 . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | 0 X X 2 . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | 6 O 9 7 1 . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #193 Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 1:55 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm135 Move 135 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry for the delay the last few days. Been tied up at work.

Strategy and Thoughts
Probe against my corner enclosure. I half expected this, but that doesn't mean I'll necessarily respond correctly :P

If I block on the outside he can certainly live in the corner. Outside thickness gains me nothing. So I need to either block on the inside or find a larger move (I don't think there is one).


Scoring and Counting
Aright, so a quick look at the score:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . w . . b . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O b X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . b . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . w . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . w . . . . . b . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . w . . . . b . |
$$ | . X . . O . w . . . . O . w O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . w . , . . . w . , b . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . w . . X b b |
$$ | . X O O . . . . w . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . w . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X b b . . X O X O O X X X X . . b |
$$ | . b . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | b b . . b . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . b . . . . . w . . w . . b . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Bottom left: 9 points for black
Bottom: 8 points for white
Bottom right: 10 points for black
Top right: ~32 points for black
Center: ~56 points for white.

So counting the top left as komi, I think I'm presently behind by something like 13 points (ouch). So I didn't do a very good job of breaking up white's moyo. I'll see if I can't get sente out of this probe exchange and try to make some aggressive plays to shore things up a bit.


Tactics and Variations
This way seems good enough for me.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . 2 3 . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X . . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . 1 4 7 . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . 5 6 . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something like this starts a ko I think. I should be able to win any ko that comes up.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . 3 4 . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | 5 O X 6 . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . 1 2 . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm136 Move 136 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Keeping sente...

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[go]$$Bcm137 Move 137 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Here we go. I think white's potential cut at C3 is a dead end, but this is playing it pretty close to the razor, so to speak. If white sees a way to break up my corner successfully I think I'm toast.


Tactics and Variations
Pretty sure this doesn't work for white.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O 1 . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . X 2 5 . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 4 6 7 . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Likewise this.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O X 6 . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . X 1 3 . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #196 Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 2:38 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm138 Move 138 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O X . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

It's worth a couple of points, and unless he wants me to cut at C3 and rip his corner open, it's sente too. Then off to the bottom edge to complete the sente reduction of this corner, before jumping off to the right and seeing if he's going to respond to S6. Even if he doesn't it's very big gote.


Tactics and Variations

If he tenukis completely, "a" is a ladder, else I use "b" and "c" for damage dealing:

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[go]$$Wcm138 Move 138 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O X . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X a . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . X 3 . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . 4 5 . b . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #197 Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 2:46 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm139 Move 139 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O X 1 . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
See my last post, under tactics and variations, second diagram. The order is reversed but it would be easy for white to revert and end up capturing those two black stones.

Yes, empty triangle is ugly. But this is a case where I think it's the strongest move.

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Not for the players...

This is a clear case of thinking too hard. It's actually a horrendous move, which is very poor. White's clamp still works in the corner, and black has made a horrible shape.

It's surely bigger to protect the corner solidly. Trying to get an extra point like this is a good way to end in pain.

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[go]$$Wcm140 Move 140 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Well, if he insists that I keep sente for all this, that's fine by me. The cut still works now (and I'm deciding about that or the clamp at B2. The concern is B2 feels gote, so it's a move I want only when the sente is gone, though it's obviously very big), and I've picked up an extra point. Not only that, but now I'm staring at all sorts of cuts if he lets me keep pushing. What he should have played is as follows:

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[go]$$Bcm139 Move 139 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . O . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . O X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . O . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . O . . . X . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . X . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O X a . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . O X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | b X . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . c . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can't bend round easily at "a" as he can just block, "b" is gote, "c" is sente but the followup I want at "d" is gote, and the cut has gone. There's nothing wrong with fixing all your problems and keeping good shape. The empty triangle is just bad here.

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Post #200 Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 3:18 pm 
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