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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons
Post #181 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:36 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoners: :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm65 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 C X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O C 4 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Nice sente yose by Ed.

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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons
Post #182 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:51 pm 
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I estimate right is bigger than top (because of the large yose Ed left). White's bottom right is big and black does not have a clear equivalent. Black's bottom and left groups should represent more points than white's bottom left. Black should gain points in the centre. White has sente.

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Post #183 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:15 pm 
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Accepted. :)
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[go]$$Wm70 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Post #184 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:28 pm 
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Loons has to choose: (a) empty triangle, (b) possibly ko, or (c) tenuki:
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[go]$$Wm70
$$ ---------------
$$ . . . . . . . |
$$ . O X . . . . |
$$ O O X O . . . |
$$ O X X X O . . |
$$ . O X X X . . |
$$ . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O . . |
$$ . . X . . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . |
$$ . . O X . a b |
$$ . . X . X X 1 |
$$ . . . X O O . |
$$ . . . X O . O |
$$ . . . . X O . |
$$ . X . X . O . |
$$ O . . . O . . |
$$ . . O . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 126. EdLee vs Loons
Post #185 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:14 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm71 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I wonder where Ed will tenuki to. I guess he feels my top yose is small :(

I am of the opinion this (C7) yose was played too early. It's not like black was going to play reverse-sente here next or even soon, so- why should white play it ? In a timed game, you might play this early while thinking of other moves...

Though, to be fair, I was debating whether I wanted/needed this sequence soon:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . 5 . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O 3 . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 4 O 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Maybe Ed is going to preempt this. What other gote could this be aiming at?

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Post #186 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:17 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm72 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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T10 :b73: atari, T7 :w74: connect.
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Bad habit. No hurry; W should've saved :w72: for later.
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Post #187 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:21 pm 
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And :b75:... solid connect.

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Post #188 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:31 pm 
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For completeness. :)
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[go]$$Bm73 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . 3 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O 2 |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Post #189 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:34 pm 
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Again, the usual suspects. :batman:
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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . M . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . M X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . M X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Post #190 Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:44 pm 
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I guess I made a stupid mistake?
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[go]$$Bcm65
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 C X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O 2 . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Or maybe no points difference.

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Post #191 Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:15 pm 
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My rough count: (a) ~= (b) ~= 40; (c) ~= (d); (e) ~= (f).
So I have to be careful (g) does not turn into a monster for B, so :w76:(h) seems big...?
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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . |
$$ | . . e . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . g . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . c . O . . . . . , . . h X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . d . . . . . . . O . . f . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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If Ed's count is correct, then black is in good shape here. It is hard to see where white is going to get a significant increase in points, whereas black can grab big chunks with 'a' or 'b'.
White's saving grace is that 'b' is modest sente if he plays it.

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . b X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


An alternate plan for white might be 'c', threatening 'd', then follow up with 'e'.

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . d . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . e . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


If 'b' is indeed sente for white, a hybrid of these two may be possible.

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[go]$$Wm76 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 1 X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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*Sigh* ...still uncertain, but :wc: seems big, so let's try it. :oops:
If :b1: hane, perhaps I can cut with :w2: ?
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[go]$$
$$ . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . X . . . . |
$$ . . . . . X . X X |
$$ . . . . O X . X O |
$$ . . . . X . X X O |
$$ . . . . . X O O O |
$$ . . . . . X O . O |
$$ . . 1 2 . . X O . |
$$ . . W X . X . O . |
$$ . . O . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . O . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$-------------------+[/go]
(p)
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[go]$$W
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Post #195 Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:52 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
If Ed's count is correct, then black is in good shape here. It is hard to see where white is going to get a significant increase in points, whereas black can grab big chunks with 'a' or 'b'.
White's saving grace is that 'b' is modest sente if he plays it.

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . b X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


An alternate plan for white might be 'c', threatening 'd', then follow up with 'e'.

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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . d . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . e . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


If 'b' is indeed sente for white, a hybrid of these two may be possible.


It seems absolutely imperative that white get c in your second diagram, as it is huge sente for black if he gets to play it.
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Post #196 Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:09 pm 
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It seems that white has definitely gone wrong somewhere on the right side.
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Post #197 Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:08 pm 
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I'm not yet convinced the previous exchange was necessary, but getting here first at a time when moves in this area were at least to some extent double sente was very good. Perhaps I played too passively sometime in the last twenty moves.

Connecting at a should also be sente against cutting around the marked stone, but I am not sure how sternly I can resist here.
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[go]$$Bcm77 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 0 7 8 . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 5 9 . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X a X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O 1 . 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 2 W 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm87 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . g . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . z 1 . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . h . . . . . O X O . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . y . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , 2 . O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . f X . . . . . . x . . O O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
After which I have something like x, and y if I don't want z. I imagine Ed wants to make it to f, g or h first as well somehow.


Gradually thinking of a move.

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:)

(2011 U.S. Go Congress is this week! :clap:
Saturday July 30 - Saturday Aug 6. Busy busy...)
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Loons, US Go Congress is mostly finished for me, and I can breathe a little for about a week,
until Aug 17-21 when I'll be offline. :-|
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Post #200 Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bm77 Prisoners: :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . X . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . O . . X O O X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . O . . O X X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . O . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Sorry about the hiatus, I promise I haven't been thinking the whole time :P.
I think I was overthinking a five point yose before. Or maybe now I am being rash.

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