It is currently Fri May 09, 2025 12:39 pm

View unanswered posts | View active topics View unread posts | View new posts | View your posts


Board index » L19²GO (Malkovich) » 1-on-1 Malkovich games

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 10 of 16
  [ 317 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 ... 16  Next
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #181 Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:16 am 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Aphelion wrote:
Joaz:
Can you show a variation where you might get both G4 and F5?
I probably won't. The diagram was just an example to show that he can't make life easily down there, so he must take one of them himself. He will almost certainly see the same logic.

Actually, he will either take one of them, or let me have both but take both E5 and F6 for himself. I consider this second possibility more likely. When he does, I'll probably sacrifice F5/G5/G4/H4 so that I can get the cut at F7.

This is all just diversion. The point of the diagram is that he must take such a diversion seriously. While he does so, my plan is to go northward. The goal all along is to kill his 7th rank stones and take the left side.

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #182 Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:19 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4844
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Liked others: 62
Was liked: 505
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
ok...i guess i will post my prediction....
below is the predcition i assume will happen.
he is trying really hard not to cut that stone because of the sacrafice
but eventually he will have to.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . 4 2 . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . 3 1 O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . 5 O X X . W . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . . X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #183 Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:39 pm 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . . . B X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O . X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #184 Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:49 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4844
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Liked others: 62
Was liked: 505
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
G4

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #185 Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:31 pm 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Magicwand wrote:
G4


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . 2 . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O 1 X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Koroviev
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #186 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:21 am 
Lives with ko

Posts: 221
Liked others: 38
Was liked: 35
Rank: 6k
I do not understand Joaz's last move.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline EdLee
 Post subject:
Post #187 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:31 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8859
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 349
Was liked: 2076
GD Posts: 312
Painful ?
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X 1 O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X 2 X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #188 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:12 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4844
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Liked others: 62
Was liked: 505
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
C8
edit:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
now 'a' is sente for white.
on a side note... Park lost ing's cup. final game taught me something. "appearance of capture does not equal to a capture. even if you seem to be ahead it is very hard to finish with that appearance of lead."
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #189 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:22 am 
Honinbo

Posts: 9552
Liked others: 1602
Was liked: 1712
KGS: Kirby
Tygem: 커비라고해
@MW:
Why not play F6 first?

_________________
be immersed
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #190 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:41 am 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O B . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This corner has not gone well. MW read better than I. :salute: Now I may be behind in territory.
Nonetheless, he has some stones that I can attack.

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #191 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:25 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4844
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Liked others: 62
Was liked: 505
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
Kirby wrote:
@MW:
Why not play F6 first?

because it is wrong move. "jachoong"
it might be sente but it fills my liberty and restrict my freedom.
it also might not be sente.


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . W . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #192 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:22 pm 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X B . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #193 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:34 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4844
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Liked others: 62
Was liked: 505
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X W . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I was so curious on how he will answer this... and just could not wait.
He might attack my group first..but i think i have enough flexability to find a way to live.
and i dont think he can tenuki there.

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #194 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:44 pm 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . B O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He has made so many points in the lower left that he is ahead. It is time to go for broke.

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #195 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:38 pm 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4844
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Liked others: 62
Was liked: 505
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . W X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he wants to dance? i will!
believe it or not...by my count black is still ahead. i guess he apparently didnt think so.
my group is very flexable and he can not kill all my group clean.
even if he can..he will lose more on top.

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #196 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:53 pm 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
One of us clearly does not understand what is going on here. It could be that both of us do not. :lol:

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #197 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:32 pm 
Honinbo

Posts: 9552
Liked others: 1602
Was liked: 1712
KGS: Kirby
Tygem: 커비라고해
Magicwand wrote:
because it is wrong move. "jachoong"
it might be sente but it fills my liberty and restrict my freedom.
it also might not be sente.


@MW or anyone else that knows the answer (except for Joaz... Sorry, buddy.):
I know you think it is the wrong move - I was asking why. But I suppose your explanation followed.

If I were in the same situation, I'd specifically be afraid of black playing here:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X B O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Because if I compare the diagram above with this:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X W O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It feels like white is more connected and in better shape in the second diagram.

But you said it was 자충수... So I guess this means that though I feel that this move is helpful, the move is harmful for white maybe after a move like this:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O B . . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X X X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Which is presumably worse than this:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O O B . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Do I understand you correctly?

_________________
be immersed
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #198 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:54 pm 
Judan
User avatar

Posts: 5546
Location: Banbeck Vale
Liked others: 1104
Was liked: 1457
Rank: 1D AGA
GD Posts: 1512
Kaya handle: Test
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Inspired by Inkwolf's cartoon, I'm going to try to strike a balance between aggression and safety. My last 10 or so moves in the lower left have been a bit reckless. I'm going to indulge in safety for a move.

This is a multi-purpose move. It grabs some territory, and solidifies my left side position. It allows me to either maintain my invasion into his top side or have a serious attack on his left side group.

One possible line - if he decides to save his left side group:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 One option
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 5 O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O 4 X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 2 3 X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 6 . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X a . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 7 8 . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . b . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

'A' and 'b' are miai. And both of his groups would be weak. Allowing me to split them would be lethal. So he would have to defend and I would go into yose with sente.

The other option is to cut off my invading stones up top. Then I think that I kill his left side group.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Another option
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , 1 X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . B O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . B X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O B B . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . B O B B . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He is surrounded by enemies. And it would be my move. :rambo:

_________________
Help make L19 more organized. Make an index: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=5207
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #199 Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:57 pm 
Honinbo

Posts: 9552
Liked others: 1602
Was liked: 1712
KGS: Kirby
Tygem: 커비라고해
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Inspired by Inkwolf's cartoon, I'm going to try to strike a balance between aggression and safety. My last 10 or so moves in the lower left have been a bit reckless. I'm going to indulge in safety for a move.

This is a multi-purpose move. It grabs some territory, and solidifies my left side position. It allows me to either maintain my invasion into his top side or have a serious attack on his left side group.

One possible line - if he decides to save his left side group:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 One option
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 5 O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O 4 X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 2 3 X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 6 . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X a . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 7 8 . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . b . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

'A' and 'b' are miai. And both of his groups would be weak. Allowing me to split them would be lethal. So he would have to defend and I would go into yose with sente.

The other option is to cut off my invading stones up top. Then I think that I kill his left side group.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Another option
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , 1 X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . B . . . . . B O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . B . . . . . . B X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O B B . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . B O B B . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He is surrounded by enemies. And it would be my move. :rambo:


I don't think Joaz's move is sente. MW can just protect his weak group on the left, because MW can deviate from Joaz's given diagram (though it's questionable as to whether MW will play :w1:, too):
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 One option
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 2 . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 3 . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
be immersed
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Post #200 Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:33 am 
Tengen
User avatar

Posts: 4844
Location: Mechanicsburg, PA
Liked others: 62
Was liked: 505
Rank: Wbaduk 7D
KGS: magicwand
Tygem: magicwand
Wbaduk: rlatkfkd
DGS: magicwand
OGS: magicwand
F13
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white: 2 black: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | O O X O . X . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X , . X O . O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O . O O O X . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . O X O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . W . . . X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O O X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X . . O . . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . X O X X . O . O . O . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O . O X X X . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . O O X . O X O . X . X . X . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Kirby:
yes. i was afraid of the cut. either way he has cut but if i dont have that exchange i have a choice of abandoning the group if needed. plus i was reading what would happen after i "hogu" my weakness which will give me "talruk". so my option will increase.
after he try to attack my group...i still tenuki taking more points.
my group is still not dead breathing aji even after he plays one more move.
even if i kill my whole group i think i still win with sente playing at bottom middle endgame..

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson

This post by Magicwand was liked by: Kirby
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 10 of 16
  [ 317 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 ... 16  Next

Board index » L19²GO (Malkovich) » 1-on-1 Malkovich games

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group