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 Post subject: Re: #238: iseijin vs Marcus
Post #21 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:09 am 
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Nothing to do but block here. I discarded the turn at P17 because that lets him escape down the right side, and I don't want that (at least, I don't THINK I want that ...).

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Post #22 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:12 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #23 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:17 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmmm ... he might be able to tenuki here ... although I can then enclose him in a small corner in sente (reduced to an L+1 group with :black: at P18). I think I can be happy here so far.

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Post #24 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:06 am 
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I think I should invade his moyo, but I have no real idea of how. I'll just try this.

If my reading is correct, he can not kill my corner. The best he can do is drive me out.
This is the most dangerous variation I found:

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[go]$$Bm1
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But I can get out:

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[go]$$Wm1
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[go]$$Wm1
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[go]$$Bm1
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For example.
I don't know, which way out is best.
I think it would be bad for black to try getting me out and build that wall facing the left side, as his R16 group would get under attack which I could attack from the bottom. My profit would be larger than his, I think.

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Post #25 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:04 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The painful truth is that I don't know what to do against this probe. D4 seems slack, and White would probably just move to another point on the board and leave aji for later. I've opted for the hane, but I'm in unfamiliar territory here ...

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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #27 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:10 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My corner is now settled, and his stones are floating. The cut is already somewhat protected by E3.

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Post #28 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:17 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I made a two point jump to C9 or something similar, black D6 would be pretty fatal, so I first make a turn and decide on what to do next later.

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Post #29 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:41 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My corner isn't going anywhere, so let's seal up the upper right. Should be sente. Then I can decide where next (or maybe come back and play E5).

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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't know if he wants to confine me to the corner or drive me out, but I think black will have less influence and points and possibly two groups if I get out.

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Post #31 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:46 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now he needs to play Q18 and (after I play O18) one other move to live in the corner, with 6 points in gote life. Once we're settled up here I need to decide what's biggest. Three candidates: R7, H3, C16. I also like C8/C9, but I haven't finished evaluating that area. D4 looks gote for W (at least, it looks like it to me), so I'm less inclined to play E5 without considering other options.

I have to be careful not to out-think myself and get too clever. I'm happy with my play so far ...

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #33 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:57 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm31 :b100: :w100:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This corner is now a shape known as L+1. White owes a move, otherwise I kill the corner.

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Post #34 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm31 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Making life.

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Post #35 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:52 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm31 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . 3 . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I'll slide here first and see how he responds. No need to rush things.

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Post #36 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:53 pm 
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Marcus wrote:
I think I can be happy here so far
Hmm, :b21: = (a) seemed slow, and a miss — the turn :b1: is sente:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X . . 1 O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
And :b27: (B jumped at :w2: ) is wrong shape for the same reason; B should turn solidly at :b1:.
In the real game, B is left with a cut at o16.

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Post #37 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:07 pm 
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W a . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . b X 1 . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
About :b23: = (a):
Marcus wrote:
The painful truth is that I don't know what to do against this probe ( :wc: = :w22: ). D4 = (a) seems slack
I have the opposite feeling: either :b1: or descend to (b) seems more severe than the hane (a).

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$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . 3 . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Marcus wrote:
I think I'll slide here first
I wonder if B should reply locally with :b1:
it's too painful for W to allow the :black: (a) turn.
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #39 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:25 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm31 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I only looked at the left side / upper left side, as that place seemed urgent, and the proverb says 'play urgent moves before big ones'.
I didn't want to play on the 3-3, as the territory/influence of those 4 white stones would be very easily reducable.
I thought about separating the D10 stone from the C14/B16 stones, but then I realized that the B16 stones could easily make 2 eyes with 1 move on the 3-3 and then what would I have? An attack on a single high stone and myself having 2 weak groups?
So I thought that when I still would play the 3-3, that he probably should reinforce and connect his stones afterwards, giving me sente, so I thought about playing 3-3 again.
I couldn't find anything more appealing to me.

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Post #40 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:42 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm31 :b100: :w100:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . O . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . X X , . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yay! Someone is observing!

I'll be interested to know what Ed has to say at the end of this game. I'm sure I've missed some good ideas already ...

No reason not to keep going with my overall plan. White has initiative now, and can play where they wish.

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