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Offline joppon
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #21 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:44 am 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 5 X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #22 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:15 am 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . 6 X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I feel like I can safely move back over to this corner. The O16 stone is far from dead. I'll see what I want to do with it later.

Right now, I can go back and play the upper left corner. I'll keep it simple.
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Offline joppon
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #23 Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:32 am 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My hope:
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[go]$$Bcm Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 O 3 . . . . . 7 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I also considered:
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$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O a . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . 6 X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But for B to make life in the corner is, I think, too small at this stage of the game, since W would have far too much influence for my liking.

Also if W responded to B17 at 'a', W would almost certainly be able to play at 'b' later on. Which would be absolutely terrible for B.

Playing at somewhere such as L16 or L17 is also out of the question; again because of 'b'.
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Offline EdLee
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Post #24 Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:07 am 
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Hidden until upper left corner is completely settled, then for joppon:
joppon wrote:
I also considered:
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$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . . 7 . .
$$ | . c . O a .
$$ | . . . , . .
$$ | . . 6 X . .
$$ | . . . b . .
$$ | . . . . . .[/go]
Also if W responded to B17 at 'a',
- Just for reference, :b17: appeared in zero pro games out of a database of 50,744.
- I understood "B17" to mean :b17:, but "B17" could also be read as the co-ordinate of (c),
so to avoid ambiguity, maybe :b17: is more clear.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #25 Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:23 am 
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for obs only:
:b7: is wrong because it leaves weakness as below.
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[go]$$Bcm Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 O 3 . . . . . 7 . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 . . . . . , 9 8 . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


capturing one stone is clean and thick and better at this point of the game.
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[go]$$Bcm Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 O 3 . . . . . C . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 . . . . . , . . 7 O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

_________________
"The more we think we know about
The greater the unknown"
Words by neil peart, music by geddy lee and alex lifeson
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Magicwand wrote:
capturing one stone is clean and thick and better at this point of the game.
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[go]$$B
$$-----------------
$$. . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . X O . . |
$$. 7 O . X O . . |
$$. . X X . . . . |
$$. . . . . O . . |
$$. . . . . . . . |[/go]
"Clean + thick" = super good aji for B. :tmbup:
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #27 Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 8 X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I rarely get to play the small avalanche ... here's my plan:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 5 O 3 0 . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 . 9 . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's a bit longer than that, this is just the beginning of it. But ... how much of the joseki does my opponent know? I guess we'll see.
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Marcus wrote:
I rarely get to play the small avalanche
If the small avalanche happens, it'll be interesting. :)
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Offline joppon
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #29 Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:22 pm 
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I've been coming on everyday since my last post but I hadn't realised you'd played.
Is there a smiley for stupid idiot?
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 9 . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #30 Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:53 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Small Avalanche ... GO! :)
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Offline joppon
 Post subject: Re: 112. joppon v Marcus
Post #31 Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:19 am 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 O 1 7 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 2 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This, and similar variations are far too clean and even (or probably better for white) for my liking


Last edited by joppon on Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #32 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:31 pm 
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for obs only:
i didnt do much reading but...seems like an overplay.
after white connect 2 black doesnt have any good answer...

black needs to study joseky or avoid variations that he is not familiar with.
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #33 Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:14 am 
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How the bloody hell do I fix the diagram? :scratch:
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Offline EdLee
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joppon wrote:
How the bloody hell do I fix the diagram? :scratch:
If the current move is :b21:, use:
[ go ]$$Bm21

"Bm21" means "1 == Black, move 21".
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Post #35 Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:22 am 
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thanks EdLee
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Post #36 Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:38 am 
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Post #37 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:41 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There's a saying that your opponent's good move is also your good move. In all the variations of both large and small avalanche joseki I have seen, Black first plays where I have my :w22: . To me, that seems to mean that I should take that point since my opponent neglected to take it.

From an objective point of view, :w22: is solid. My corner becomes extremely difficult to attack, while Black has several stones ripe for leaning on.
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Hidden until upper left corner completely settled,
Marcus wrote:
My corner becomes extremely difficult to attack
Because it's alive. :)
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Post #39 Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:39 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm01 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X a . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X c . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X d . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . b 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The idea is to build a wall to aid in capturing the stone at O16. And to control the middle game.
I also wanted to put pressure on white's cutting stone, but I could see no way of doing so without completely destroying the shape of my already thin stones.
Also, if I started a fight by, for example, playing at 'b' instead of 3; the variations are so complicated - because of the cutting points 'c' and 'd' - it becomes very diifficult for me to read beyond 10 moves afterwards.
'a' is a massive weak point for black.
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Post #40 Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:30 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not much choice here, if I want to keep up the pressure.

This is an important cutting stone. I can't give it up.
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