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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba
Post #21 Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:19 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 5 b . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . 1 . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i expect white to play next around (a)... at which point I will then attack... probably in the bottom left corner... something like the variation in the diagram, maybe 5 at (b) instead...

I don't like his expected approach on that side. The bottom isn't likely to yield tons of points for either player because his stone is played low. I think if I was black, I'd at least approach from the other side of that stone if I was going to approach in the bottom left. Or I'd split the side.

Also, I think that the two space high extension has a ton of aji for white to exploit.
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i expect white to play next around (a)... at which point I will then attack
When you say 'attack', do you mean 'approach' ?
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Post #23 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:21 am 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As planned. I think black might tenuki next. The approach at F3 looks good for black. I'd ideally like to invade around L3 if the stone on O3 wasn't there if he chooses to play F3. Hmm... I'll have to think of another plan. But this move 12 definitely seems like the right thing to do.
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Offline Jordus
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba
Post #24 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:42 am 
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I suppose approach is a better word... ;-)

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Post #25 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:12 am 
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A lot of people recommend Elementary Go, Vol. 1: In the Beginning, as well as Opening Theory Made Easy by Hideo Otake. I'll add The Direction of Play, by Takeo Kajiwara to that list of recommendations to improve opening play.

If you feel that the middle-game and endgame are your strengths, why not welcome a diagonal fuseki? It opens the board up to earlier engagements, hastening the arrival of the middle game. Moreover, opening in the top left instead of the bottom right puts black on notice that you have every intention of disrupting his shimari if he doesn't enclose.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry, I was meaning to reply to this but forgot until just now in the shower whilst thinking about this game (well, it's better than singing, isn't it :P ?)

That's a very interesting thought. I'd always just thought of keeping it as a parallel fuseki since I'm still very new to the game (only been playing 2 months) - not long ago I would've been destroyed in middlegame by anyone even slightly competent.

My style also often is very moyo/influence based, so I suppose parallel fuseki support that more. I'll have an experiment with diagonal fuseki :) thanks for the idea!

Thanks for the book recommendations, I'll look into them :) .
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Post #26 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:33 am 
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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Decided to go for the approach... there is something I wanted to use that bottom influence for... though now that i think about it more it probably isn't the best idea... as i was writing out the diagram it fell apart... I am too tired to be doing any hard thinking...

So stick to the original plan.. at least I was half way awake when i thought of it... :lol:

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there is something I wanted to use that bottom influence for...
Every B stone is on the 3rd line; which influence are you referring to? :)
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . 3 . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #28 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:27 am 
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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 5 . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . 1 . . . . . . . B . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I've seen this position brought up a couple times, I just want to say that in one of my lessons with Guo Juan she mentioned that this was an okay way to play because the solidity of the marked stone helps B handle an eventual invasion on the bottom side
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Post #29 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:57 am 
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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . 6 . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 1 . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As EdLee mentioned, black is short on influence. I'd be tempted to go for this.

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Jordus,
Jordus wrote:
there is something I wanted to use that bottom influence for...
Every B stone is on the 3rd line; which influence are you referring to? :)
Reference discussion: http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... =10&t=2982
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . 3 . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


in my diagrams of my planned sequence, I was planning on playing on the fourth line around k4... but I guess I really meant board position rather than influence.. I have to get my vocab fixed :-?

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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 2 . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The pincer lets me get an invasion in on the bottom. I considered the option below, but it looked too good for black:

Other option:

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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I quite like playing this stone high here because of my hoshi stone in the top left. I read that generally when you have the adjacent hoshi stone like this, a high stone is better than a low one after the approach on move 13. Black's position seems very low on the bottom. Black playing around J4 would be good so he's not so low, and I don't see quite how to prevent that here. Black could either do that on his next move, or first exchange D2 for C3. I don't really like him getting this - it looks too good for black. So, I'll pincer instead. This allows me to invade the bottom directly.
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I considered the option below, but it looked too good for black
Why do you think it's too good for B?
Could you quantify it based on counting or some arguments,
or was it just a feeling that you cannot explain? :)
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Post #33 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:08 pm 
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that last move was :scratch:
i dont know if this is good for white

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[go]$$Bcm13 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 3 5 7 . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O 4 6 . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


i think i yangs book on fundamentals he says something like when the enemy has
stones nearby you pincer loose and when you have stones nearby you pincer tight
maybe a 2 or 3 space pincer would have worked better or a different joseki

its just a thought

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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba
Post #34 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:29 pm 
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I would happily dive into the corner as Black. The bottom is small, and blocking the other way ends in gote, so either way its a great situation.
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Post #35 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:08 pm 
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EdLee wrote:
Simba,
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I considered the option below, but it looked too good for black
Why do you think it's too good for B?
Could you quantify it based on counting or some arguments,
or was it just a feeling that you cannot explain? :)


Well, if I did that, black gets a ton of space at the bottom that already looks fairly secure and I have very little to show for it in return (a little bit on the right and a small bit in the bottom left). Maybe I messed up on the right hand side... But that is joseki as far as I'm aware... Hmm... It looks like I'm quite far behind already though if I let black get all that at the bottom. The pincer allows me to get some of the bottom rather than awarding it all to black in exchange for a much less secure and smaller area on the left. I suck so badly at fuseki :P ...
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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich 113- Jordus v. Simba
Post #36 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:29 pm 
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Simba:
A few stones on the bottom doesn't mean "secure bottom". Black needs to do far more in order to secure an entire side as definite territory.
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Post #37 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:22 pm 
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Aphelion wrote:
Simba:
A few stones on the bottom doesn't mean "secure bottom". Black needs to do far
more in order to secure an entire side as definite territory.


Hmm, but where would I invade? Around L4? It just seems a bit cramped. I don't have much room and would have to run out into the middle whilst black could chase and make points whilst doing so.
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Post #38 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:25 pm 
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I feel very tempted to take the corner with (a)... that will give me control of 3 corners... making my main mode of play as now reducing whites chances of large moyos... hmmmm....
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Post #39 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:18 pm 
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Simba wrote:
Aphelion wrote:
Simba:
A few stones on the bottom doesn't mean "secure bottom". Black needs to do far
more in order to secure an entire side as definite territory.


Hmm, but where would I invade? Around L4? It just seems a bit cramped. I don't have much room and would have to run out into the middle whilst black could chase and make points whilst doing so.

Simba:
What exactly are you afraid of? I see nothing to fear buy giving Black 2 moves on the bottom. Depending on what Black does, there are loads of ways to reduce /invade.
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Post #40 Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:20 pm 
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At Move 12, why high and not low?
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