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Author: | emeraldemon [ Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Interesting move. I wanted to push through that gap, but I think then black plays in the corner and I have two groups that are difficult to handle. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
I think P6 is going to be in a strange place after this, but maybe I'm wrong. |
Author: | perceval [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
hehe i was so wrong.. fuego did play R8. This is interesting : human common sense knowledge backed up by MC simulations must be specially meaningful. Here even random playouts seems to indicate that the 2 space extension is the right distance for a life base. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Either way, I think black has two problems, that elephant eye and that loose stone. I'm trying to figure out the best shape, stand by... |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
I *think* this offers better follow-ups. I know it's joseki in a similar position, but maybe black's (bad?) shape changes things. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
I'm not sure if fuego is being really clever here or not. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Wow, really? That move seems several levels below the rest of the moves. It seems clear to me that the hanging connection is worse than a solid one... it is now almost sente for me to capture, and if black fixes it he'll have lost sente... |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
I don't usually post triggers, but this one seems likely enough that I went for it: |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
The next one seems mandatory, too: Does fuego think it can kill me here? These moves don't make any sense to me, they're just making me more solid. Respect for opponent is... dropping. |
Author: | Chew Terr [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Daniel- May I ask why you didn't just capture? I assumed you would, so you get a few more points and end in sente. Black doesn't seem to get anything more than a ko threat or two for it? |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Gah, because I wasn't paying attention and didn't read past the atari... I had a terrible record in casual games at congress, including losing an *even* game to someone I beat *while giving 8 stones* in a rated game. I think at least part of my problem is once they play a few moves that don't make sense my brain shuts off completely and I play even worse. So thanks for the wake up call... Well, I think black's moves in this corner are still making it a net gain for me. I'd like to say my last move left less aji but I don't think that's true... |
Author: | Chew Terr [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
daniel_the_smith wrote: Well, I think black's moves in this corner are still making it a net gain for me. Oh, I definitely agree with this. Fuego's burned more locally than you, it feels like to me. Sorry to put you on the spot, just thought I might be missing something. |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Chew Terr wrote: ... Sorry to put you on the spot, just thought I might be missing something. Don't apologize, it's the whole point of these games |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Don't worry, all the rest of the moves will make perfect sense |
Author: | daniel_the_smith [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 135. daniel_the_smith (2d) vs Fuego (bot) |
Actually, that move *does* make perfect sense and I want to think about it a bit more... I think I want to make shape in the lower left. Fuego's opening seems great, I'll try to copy it in my games, I think |
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