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 Post subject: Re: #145 - hailthorn 8k vs Sur 7k
Post #21 Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:54 pm 
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Fighting will start soon, but not yet :-)

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Post #22 Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:30 am 
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This is a continuation of my calm play. I'll just play here and see what happens. My goal is to limit the amount of territory :black: has at the time while profiting.

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Post #23 Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:04 pm 
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I want to strengthen J17 stone for my C16-J17 trap to be still effective. It's not time to play E16 yet. But I don't know the standard response to this move when playing chinese opening, I just hope this is not too bad. Looks ok.

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Post #24 Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:29 am 
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I'll jump here and then make a base, I guess. We'll see how it goes!

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Post #25 Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:30 am 
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To expand on my thought process on my last move, my first instinct was to create a base first, but I have been told this is wrong, so I jumped with :w12: figuring that was the best thing to do before creating a base. I suppose it allows for more freedom if things get hairy or something like that.

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Post #26 Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:12 am 
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I regret M17 now, it should have been O16 instead, I know this joseki the best, but it actually never crossed my mind. I think it would be ideal in this position.

With W12, I thought he had only one option (3-3), I didn't even think about this and I think it's a mistake. I'm blitzing this move, I hope I won't regret. Looking forward for his answer.

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Post #27 Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:57 pm 
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I think I'll dip into the corner here with :w14: and have fun with it. I'm assuming he'll respond with:

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And I'm considering several moves here. The X marks the moves I may play after the assumed :b15:. I'll be weighing my options heavily here. None of these may be the best move from a stronger player's point of view, but that's what I'm thinking about.

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Post #28 Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:09 am 
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Post #29 Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:22 am 
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More verbose than I intended:

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My inclination is very much to play 'a'. It uses both :b7: and J17, in a quite territorial way; and this looks to be a territorial game. Has anyone read Kato's book on the Chinese Opening? I think he may have treated (and liked) this move, though the work is slightly dated (I haven't read it myself). This move is somewhat tricky.

NB: The temperature is very much described by the size of x, y & z (in that order, I *think*).

If you do not wish to play my 'a', this is the normal way:
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You kick white towards J17, to give him a cramped position; then you help J17. There is variation in placing :b15: . Afterwards, black will continue building his Chinese with a play near/on the triangle; a very big area for both.


PS:
My first thought for (the game) :w14: was tenuki to R8. The corner's open, and I don't see a very severe attack anyway. I don't like the game :w14: :b15: for white.

PPS: I prefer :b7: at :w8: . :w8: is a vital point for the Chinese and a(n albeit secondary) Shimari extension.

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Post #30 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:14 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move is more of a peep than anything, I think, but when I thought it out, it could be pretty dangerous for :black:. We'll just have to see how it works out. I debated over this move for awhile, instead thinking of playing:

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[go]$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But overall, I like :w16: where it is. It could be quite fun for :black: to try and deal with. And this sequence is what I'm hoping for. Again, it's probably wrong, but that's what I see.

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[go]$$Bcm11 Captures (B:) (W:)
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$$ | . . O O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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On second thought, I probably won't be able to capture, but that's fine. I think :white: significantly depletes :black: influence here, and I'm positive that :white: can get set up pretty well on the left side because of :w8:

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Post #32 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:47 am 
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Is there anyone who understands this move? It makes absolutely no sense to me. But so far my opponent played calm and strong moves and he surely put some effort into :w16:. One shouldn't underestimate his opponent that easily.

But white's O17 group isn't that happy to be tenukied from at this point. Even if it was, :w16: doesn't threaten anything. I have strong groups that couldn't possibly come to harm if I ignored this move. As an invasion it fails too. The corner wasn't yet my territory and white is just giving me influence in gote.

Does he feel like he's losing and playing desperate moves? Does he hope to trick me somehow? Or did he just have too much coffee today and is ready to fight?

I have to play calm and solid move now and see what he's up to.

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Post #33 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:01 pm 
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I have two supergreat awesome moves to choose from and I chose this. Lets see how he can justify his tenuki.

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Post #34 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:35 pm 
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Well, I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting this move. I suppose I should have kept it simple and played here, but simple is boring. So I'm going to take a few risks. I wanted to play calmly, but I've decided against that. After this sequence finishes out, I'm going to take advantage of the top lefthand side. This could be pretty fun. :D

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Post #35 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:10 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I believe this is the better side to block. If I played N13 now, he would have enough space to make two eyes, so I have to block him to deny that.

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Post #36 Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:38 pm 
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Sorry for the slow response. Been a busy time!

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Figured I'd play here and see what I can get. Now that I think about it, this is going to be a "fun" situation! Ha ha ha ha ha, no, not really. :D Oh well, I put myself in it. Looking forward to how this game progresses!

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Post #37 Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:25 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Obvious. Some time ago I've read this situation that he can't make two eyes. I'll believe it, I don't want to think right now.

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Post #38 Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:04 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trying things never killed anyone. Well, it did, but that's beside the point. I'm quite positive I can live here. I'll just have to see how it goes. :D

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Post #39 Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:12 pm 
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . O O X . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A must.

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Post #40 Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:19 pm 
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . O O X . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Exactly how I planned this. :D Let's see how it proceeds!

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