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Author:  bakekoq [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:48 pm ]
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emeraldemon wrote:
Sorry, I should have been more explicit: the stuff in hide tags isn't for players to read!

Owh. sorry, I think it's comment can help the players. btw, is it the rules here? how about the spoiler? I can't read my opponent's spoiler too?
Author:  emeraldemon [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:15 pm ]
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I probably should have written "Not for the players" in my post so you knew, but the general rule is that you can't read anything in spoiler tags unless someone writes "For bakekoq:" or something similar on it. You shouldn't read what's in your opponent's spoiler tags.
Author:  bakekoq [ Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:15 pm ]
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it's really strange. I think, this malkovich game is opened so we can know what's our opponent trying for the next moves? so, what's the purpose for the spoiler if so?
Author:  opex [ Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:29 am ]
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If it was open, there would be no need in hide tags, right?
The purpose is that you play the game as usual, but explain your reasoning, get comments on it, and after the game you reread the topic, and the hide tags become an excellent review on the game :) That's how I see it.
Author:  bakekoq [ Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:10 am ]
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owh, I see now the process for this malkovich game.
ok,I'll be careful for the future.
I got some feeling for opening anything that's closing. hehe.. we'll open it after we play till the end, right??
Author:  blindgod [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:59 am ]
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bakekoq wrote:
I can't read my opponent's spoiler too?


I had always taken this to be a given. To me, the info in the spoiler tags are for game observers while the game is going on, for opponents after the game is over, and for the writer down the road as a retrospective. Plus, in a game against a much stronger opponent (such as mine against EdLee), I imagine the spoilers can function as a teaching tool. At least, I hope I'll be able to learn from his commentary on my good and bad moves in my game with him (though I do intend to ask him for specific feedback once our game's over).

Anyhoo

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I chose this move for two reasons: 1. It seems a good opportunity for me to force white to choose which of his groups will live and which will die. 2. I came across the pattern of the top white stones (G17 & L17) in a problem book over the weekend and the correct move for black is this move with the commentary "However white plays, the result will be good for black."
Author:  bakekoq [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:41 pm ]
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Author:  blindgod [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:36 pm ]
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Author:  bakekoq [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:56 pm ]
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Author:  blindgod [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:45 pm ]
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Author:  bakekoq [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:52 pm ]
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Author:  blindgod [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:22 pm ]
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In the choice between fighting and protecting my groups, I'm going with protecting my group on this one.
Author:  bakekoq [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:32 am ]
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It's time to make the new moyo even though my stone's on the right side n upper side is still not safe yet.
Author:  blindgod [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:44 am ]
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More aggressive than is common for me, but I feel it's appropriate in this case.
Author:  hyperpape [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:42 am ]
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bakekoq wrote:
It's time to make the new moyo even though my stone's on the right side n upper side is still not safe yet.
It's time to protect your stones on the top right.

blindgod wrote:
More aggressive than is common for me, but I feel it's appropriate in this case.
I think it's better to play on the outside. Here, you're just cutting off the tail of the dragon. This move is big, but you can profit more attacking the whole thing. If he connects, he loses time and your attack becomes severe. If he doesn't connect, you can always snatch the tail later, but you will have profited by attacking in the meantime.
Author:  bakekoq [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:16 pm ]
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Here we go. let's fight. Maybe I can put some trick inside.
Author:  blindgod [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:39 pm ]
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Author:  bakekoq [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:13 pm ]
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OMG. unexpected moves there.I think it's too greedy.
Author:  blindgod [ Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:27 pm ]
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Author:  bakekoq [ Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:21 pm ]
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