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Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) http://www.lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=8189 |
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Author: | hailthorn011 [ Mon May 06, 2013 9:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
This wasn't my original intent, but...why not? I like it. |
Author: | The Intrepid [ Mon May 06, 2013 9:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
Unusedname wrote:
this feels like an overplay... The move seems pretty good to me. At a quick glance, Black would have a hard time running. For instance: [hide]
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Author: | Unusedname [ Mon May 06, 2013 10:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
welp to late to change my mind now. |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Mon May 06, 2013 10:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
I still like it. I feel like this turned out decent enough. I'm considering three moves for the future....Mwahahahaha!
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Author: | Unusedname [ Mon May 06, 2013 11:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
feeling uneasy. My goal is to keep the black stones separate. If I can do that I can hopefully build up enough strength to attack the 2 space extension on the left.
maybe i should tenuki... edit: oops forgot to poke out his tiger mouth. Hmmm. editedit: well poke is for eyes. I forgot to defang his tiger mouth. |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Tue May 07, 2013 10:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
Hm... No real comments on this move. |
Author: | Unusedname [ Tue May 07, 2013 2:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
after black 3 I won't be able to very well assault this group... I think I attacked this group poorly maybe M16 is only good when J16 doesn't have room for a 2 space extension. Or I suppose I could have just capped. Ah well. Go player's remorse.
I want to play in these areas. a will be to try to constrict black and force him to settle at r2. But that probably won't happen. This will probably just end up pushing black into my weak group. b is a big point Maybe I should extend farther though. c this needs more preparative moves. As it is now I'll just end up with another weak group. d A move around here to prevent a shimari. But where is the right spot... since it doesn't seem like much of a moyo framework game I suppose It would be better to make a move that aims to take the corner and give black outside influence. On second thought I would need to jump out at F13 to prevent black from making a big moyo. Therefore jumping into the corner might not be a great idea right now. perhaps I should aim to keep his group unsettled. idk i'll think about it when it comes. |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Tue May 07, 2013 2:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
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Author: | Unusedname [ Tue May 07, 2013 4:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
i feel it is too much to tenuki. this strengthens my connection to f15 now i need to figure out what to do if he cuts. Do I start a huge fight? or do I just settle my group easily with L14 I'll probably start a fight if it comes to it Also I'm unsure whether this is all too early. Were the past few moves better played elsewhere on the empty sides of the board? Are these past few moves really urgent? The reason I'm unsure is because my group that I'm reinforcing is already strong. If i had this kind of move on the other side I would be way happier to play it. |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Tue May 07, 2013 5:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
I really feel it's time for a... Although I do habitually tenuki at the wrong time, so I hope this isn't one of those times...And hopefully this is a good place TO tenuki |
Author: | Unusedname [ Tue May 07, 2013 5:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
I suppose he had the same idea as me. Tired of playing on this side of the board. But I think this is the last important move that needs to be played here. I'm not sure if I'm right. After this I can invade his corner and be sure he won't have too big of a moyo |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Tue May 07, 2013 6:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
With all due respect, I have no idea what is doing here. I feel this move was a wasted move. Forgive me if I am grossly incorrect. Now I'm free to take one of three big points:
Now, my goal is to decipher which is the biggest move. So let's do some deductive reasoning. D3: Fixes me up nicely in the corner and works well with L3 and C11. And even if places a stone at C7, it'll be surrounded by rather strong stones. A needle in a haystack. A dwarf among midgets- Okay, you get the picture. Of course there is always C4, but I don't want to think about that right now. So I feel quite strongly about this move. But my feelings are purely business only. Did I just friend zone a stone (joking!)? And wow, that rhymed. But I digress. P4: Hey, P4...Persona 4! Anyway, I feel this move would be good as well because I can do SOMETHING in that right hand corner. And...yeah, really, that's all I got. Maybe this isn't such a great move right now after all. And I highly doubt it's bigger than D3 right now. Because would undoubtedly like to play D3 right about now. Q10: So, this move is obviously quite big. But is it bigger than D3? I feel D3 is a bigger point for than it is for at this moment in time. But, D3 is likely a move that both and want. So, if we deduce that Q10 is far bigger for , and D3 is big for both players, it would appear that I should select D3. And it does in fact seem to be the wise move. I think I realized that as soon as I began explaining the move. Maybe I'm wrong. But I feel deep down inside that this is a great move. And sorry for the long explanation. This was more for me to try and reason this move out to myself, something I need to do more of. Why yes, yes I did! |
Author: | The Intrepid [ Tue May 07, 2013 7:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
Black has a death wish! "a" or "b" from White will leave Black group cut off from the center, forcing Black to live inside--a tall order.
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Author: | skydyr [ Tue May 07, 2013 7:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
The Intrepid wrote: :shock: Black has a death wish! "a" or "b" from White will leave Black group cut off from the center, forcing Black to live inside--a tall order.
Perhaps black thinks that he can make more by having white take gote to seal it while he takes another big point? White is concentrated enough on the top that this line of thinking seems conceivable to me. |
Author: | The Intrepid [ Tue May 07, 2013 7:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
Judging by hailthorn011's remarks, I don't think this is his plan. In any case, Black will get compensation, but he stands to lose some 20-30 points, should the group die--and that's a lot. |
Author: | Unusedname [ Tue May 07, 2013 9:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
Okay there are too many moves I want to make.
After c an extension along the right becomes bigger. I really want white to respond to c but I have a feeling he will patch up his weakness on the left instead. But I can't see how he can do that efficiently....
idk. okay I think
to sort of surround white's loosly surround blacks left group.
uggh i've been staring at this board too long. this is the move that my other moves were threatening. So I need to prove that his two space extension is not safe. |
Author: | hailthorn011 [ Wed May 08, 2013 2:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
A move I predicted in my previous comment section. Personally speaking, I like my current position. Maybe I can attack C9 ruthlessly and gain something. Who knows? |
Author: | Unusedname [ Wed May 08, 2013 12:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
completely disconnect his center group from getting to this side.
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Author: | hailthorn011 [ Wed May 08, 2013 12:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
I don't exactly like playing this. But it is a necessary move. I feel will extend. But I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. |
Author: | Unusedname [ Wed May 08, 2013 12:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Game #212 hailthorn vs Unusedname (Game 1) |
I do not like B's move. there looks like there is still aji around "a" Maybe it's for sente? I don't see a reason for him to back down. Is this the point I should be most careful? and doesn't "b" prevent him from tenuki? we will see. |
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