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 Post subject: Re: 50. Magicwand (3d) v. Fwiffo (4k)
Post #21 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:13 am 
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I'd definitely have played N8 (b) here. If Black tries to cut the knight, he only weakens his lower right group further.


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Post #22 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:17 am 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
since my approach was high..it doesnt help me invade 3-3 point.
i am using this old joseki to cut middle group in sente.
below is what i expect. it doesnt look too bad..
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . 4 6 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X 3 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #23 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:42 am 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Just keep things simple... Don't overthink it... Everything will be fine... It's not like white can connect and take care of all his stones with one move.

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Post #24 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:43 am 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #25 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:15 am 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

S17 isn't as important as S3 was, because of the position of O17. I'd still like to get it, because it undermines white's group, but sente is more important. This feels like a straightforward way to move out and keep white separated. I don't think the double-peep is an issue at all because he white O10 stone is weak. And since it's weak, I don't really want to touch it, e.g. attaching to make a table shape.

I have a hard time seeing where white profits here. I've gotten territory in two corners, and as long as I keep white separated, he won't get that much center influence, and as long as I don't die or something, he won't get much side territory.

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Post #26 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:34 am 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X 7 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
one successful corner..

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Post #27 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:48 am 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This was the trade-off for my last move.

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Post #28 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:59 am 
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Here's my big concern.

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . B . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . Y . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . B O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . Y . Y O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Y Y . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I've let myself get so pre-occupied with taking care of everything at once and keeping white separated, that I haven't worried enough about getting myself connected. This is very reminiscent of a diagram in Kageyama's Fundamentals. You know the one, right? Black lost this way.

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Post #29 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:06 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #30 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:36 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The worst he is threatening against the top is to push me down a little. I can't be intimidated by that. He's also attacking my middle group; he probably wants to kill something. But I think it's OK with the center white stone as weak as it is. I can still settle it OK. Meanwhile I'll threaten to take so much territory that I could lose a group or two...

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Post #31 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:41 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

as i expected this game is taugh.
in the beginning i am at his mercy and there is nothing i can do.
if he plays correctly i can not do too much.
sofar he didnt break me so i am still in the game but..sooner or later i have to break him (or he has to break himself).
i can not fight while i am outnumbered..i need some influence and target to attack..
few stones in the middle is still a target..so i will keep my aim at the group.
if i play to match the points with b i can but..i dont think i can catchup with points.
i need some group to kill.

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Post #32 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:45 pm 
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The worst he is threatening against the top is to push me down a little. I can't be intimidated by that. He's also attacking my middle group; he probably wants to kill something. But I think it's OK with the center white stone as weak as it is. I can still settle it OK. Meanwhile I'll threaten to take so much territory that I could lose a group or two...


Bad thoughts! Naughty thoughts! We don't recklessly throw away groups if we don't have to. That middle group is still like a massive set of splitting stones. I'd play to split and then profit from the run here:

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[go]$$Bcm20 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 . 2 . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 5 . 3 . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #33 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:13 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Push along the fifth line? Sure. I can do that. But I probably can't push again. I have to settle or escape my side group.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ { LN M6 O15 }[/go]

I also have to be careful to not count the bottom as territory yet. Maybe the fifth line was foolish... But the fourth line didn't seem aggressive enough.

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Post #34 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:19 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

trying to setup an effective attack on middle group.
i dont care if you are a professional, you can not attack the group unless you have proper setup.
i am trying to cover my weakness before my attack.

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Post #35 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:40 pm 
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I will be out this evening, and probably won't get another move in until tomorrow.

ACK. I have to read carefully, but I think he is just trying to bully me, so I shouldn't rule out the obvious move. I don't want to be forced to live small here though. Maybe that's what I give up for playing tenuki twice from this corner. That group is so small now, maybe I should just sacrifice it. This will be a good one to sleep on. Meanwhile, my center group withers...

Maybe this dodge is OK?

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 4 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O , . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X 1 . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 4 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O , . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X 1 . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 3 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O , . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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Post #36 Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:45 pm 
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Bad thoughts! Naughty thoughts!

Exactly.

If we look at the board, we can quickly see that the right side is not settled yet, so Black wants to play there. There are three black groups and two white ones. Of those three, the lower right is absolutely stable and not under any threat to get closed in. The centre right group is also quite stable and not about to get closed in (O12 was good for that). The upper right group, however, can be enclosed by N17.

It is very urgent to ensure that the upper group remains in play, for example by playing M16. This is also the natural flow after O12 - O15.

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Post #37 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:17 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . 4 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This sucks. Obviously :b20: was really bad.

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Post #38 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:10 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 5 X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
beautiful! now i covered my weakness in sente.

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Post #39 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:04 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Huzzah! I thought he had a more severe move than that to shut me in. This is still pretty horrible, but I was expecting worse. He gets to get really solid on the outside in sente, and gets to force again in the corner, but at least I'm not shut in trying to live with three points or something.

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Post #40 Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:53 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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