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Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm101 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O 5 4 X . 2 8 7 . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X 6 X X 1 . X 9 O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Still ahead on points, way ahead on influence, and M9 looms. Life is good.

Author:	Magicwand [ Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] another overplay by white there is aji that still stink on the bottom. also i can not win by letting him have everything. little more points then i can win this game..

Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] No reason to let him split me. I'll play safe, secure minor territory.

Author:	Magicwand [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:31 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] This exchange doesn't seem to get him anywhere. I get several benefits: 1) An unbreakable connection... Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . B . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . B . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] 2) A little extra territory ( which puts me ahead about 20 points vs 45 points ) Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X ? ? \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X ? ? \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X ? ? \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . ? \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . ? \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X ? \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] 3) And two cutting points: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . C X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] In return, he gets some influence. It is not clear what he is going to do with it. Perhaps it is part of a devious though farfetched plan to sneak up on my lower right group? He can't live on the lower side, but he may be able to make himself die slowly enough that he thinks that he can kill the surrounding stones. He can set up what looks like a ko. It starts like this: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O 1 2 X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . 4 . 3 . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] He gets the hane at J1 in sente... Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X 2 X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O 4 X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X 1 O 3 X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O O X X O O 5 . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X . O . C . 6 7 X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] And I can't prevent him from playing L1, making a ko. ( If I take it myself, he plays M1 and lives ) However, to make this ko meaningful, he has to prevent me from connecting northward or eastward. Then he must win the ko about 4 times - once for each extra liberty that my group has. It is a bit of a stretch, but it is all that I can see that makes sense for his two most recent moves.

Author:	studying [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Has anyone else looked at the status of White's center group? In particular, is M11 sente for Black? If it is (and it seems to be), I think Black would be wise to get that move in as soon as possibly to fully seal White in. Perhaps it should have been at move 110? Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Position at move 109 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X 5 O X 1 . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . 4 3 X O X . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] This removes the nice endgame capture of D4, but I think sealing White in is bigger. Joaz also mentioned something about M9, but I'm not sure what he's aiming for there?

Author:	Magicwand [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] yes black has advantage now.. but you can not lose points on every encounter and expect to win.. he will have to fight me sooner or later.

Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 6 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] According to my reading, I can cut and win any fight that follows from this position: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . 6 4 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] But why bother? As Verbal Kint says, "What if you miss?"

Author:	Magicwand [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . 7 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 6 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] mutually big point and must play now.... i think he has to invade my corner now. but i also know that he will be reluctant to play invasion.

Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . 7 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 6 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] It seems that the difference in territory has finally affected my opponent. He stops going for influence and plays a move that limits my territorial expansion. I have time to tenuki to the last big opening point, and this keeps the pressure on him.

Author:	Magicwand [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:53 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
P17

Author:	tj86430 [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:50 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Magicwand wrote: P17 Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . 7 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 6 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:07 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
@Observers: Hmmm... I was assuming that I would automatically hane underneath. But if I play 1, he has to reply with 2: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] ...and 3 leads to something not found in any joseki book. This can get very complicated very quickly. I must read a bit. The natural cut at 4 - which is joseki without the surrounding stones - does not work... Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . 5 4 O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] ...for, contrary to initial appearances... Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 7 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O 3 . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . 5 4 O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] ... cannot be captured.

Author:	Magicwand [ Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
another blank to make him nervious. on second thought... little comment on my opponents possible move below appears to be logical move for black (it may be.. but probably not) reason for that is after i block (only move) my white is already in the head of two stone. which means black is headbutting my wall. I have not read all variation yet but it usually bad for black. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . 0 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . 7 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 6 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] then what is right move for black???? only other move i see that may be right would be a or b Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . b . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . 7 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 6 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm111 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . 7 . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . 1 2 . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . 4 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . 6 . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . 5 X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] There is a lot going on here behind a simple looking move. Comments later...

Author:	Magicwand [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:18 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
O 17 extend

Author:	tj86430 [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:05 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Magicwand wrote: O 17 extend Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm121 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm121 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] He's thin all over. Something has to give.

Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck
Trigger: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm121 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O X . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . 2 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . \| $$ \| . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . \| $$ \| . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . \| $$ \| . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . \| $$ \| . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . \| $$ \| . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . \| $$ \| . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author: Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:29 am ]

Post subject: Re: #263 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

... Comments later...

Today I have a little more time to post. Now that white has played a different line with the extension to O17, there is no point in hiding this.

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

...

...if I play 1, he has to reply with 2:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...and 3 leads to something not found in any joseki book.

...The natural cut at 4 - which is joseki without the surrounding stones - does not work...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . 5 4 O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...for, contrary to initial appearances...

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 7 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O 3 . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . 5 4 O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

...

cannot be captured.

Unfortunately, white can play 4 like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . 2 1 4 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So I have to play this line:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: $$ ---------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . , . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X . X . X . X . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . O O . . O X . X . . . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . X . O X . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . X O . X . O . O . X . . O . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . . O O . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O . X O O X . . . . O X . . . . X . | $$ | . . O X X X X . . . X O X . . O X . . | $$ | . . O X O . O . O . O O X . . O O X . | $$ | . O X O O . O . O O X X . X X O . O . | $$ | . O X X O X X X O X X X X O . X O O . | $$ | . O X . X O X . X O X . O . X X O . . | $$ | . . X . X O . . X O O . . O X O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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