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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!
Post #201 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 8:35 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: :black: :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . O 9 O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Many possibilities ... This one sucked less than the others, from what little reading I did do.

Let's see where this goes ... I'm running out of options.
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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!
Post #202 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 8:37 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . 0 O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Probably this:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . 2 . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X b . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . 1 , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O a O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Then he'll 'a' or 'b'.

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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!
Post #203 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 8:42 am 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: :black: :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Oh, hey ... what's this? Could I have a chance here? Let's see what Kirby has in mind ...
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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: 110: Marcus vs Kirby - Kirby's Revenge!
Post #204 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 8:46 am 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X 2 . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Guess he can do that, too ;-P

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Offline Marcus
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Post #205 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 8:50 am 
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Ok ... I need to step back and look at this. Kirby has given me a gift, I really don't want to waste this opportunity.
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Offline Kirby
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Post #206 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 12:09 pm 
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I guess I'm being a little bit risky here...

If I can get sente to help out the middle group, I am totally confident in its safety:
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . W W X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W W . X O . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . W , W X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


However, are the stones on the right OK?
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . W . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X W . W X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X W . . . W |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . W . W W . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Furthermore, if I spent a move to protect the right, are my center stones still OK?

The answers to these questions should dictate whether or not I should be concerned right now... :-)

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Offline Laman
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Post #207 Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 12:14 pm 
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black making a comeback?

at first i thought that black couldn't cut after w 1, but he could after b 2
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[go]$$Wcm1 Diagram 206-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . B . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X 1 . 2 , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O 7 O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O 2 . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X 5 3 1 , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O 4 O O 6 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Marcus
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Post #209 Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:28 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: :black: :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O . . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . 3 , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok ... I had thought that Kirby could make this difficult by threatening a ko ... but apparently I can just fill the ko:

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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: :black: :w4:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O 0 O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O 6 X 7 5 . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X 9 4 3 , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O 8 O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think Kirby migh be in trouble ... but I still have to read things throughout, make sure I don't miss anything ...
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Offline Kirby
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Post #210 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:39 am 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O 4 . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




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Offline Marcus
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Post #211 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 4:57 am 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: :black: :w3:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . 5 X , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Where are you going wind? Far, far away ...
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Offline Loons
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Post #212 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 7:29 am 
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Easy tsumego time- Black to kill the marked white stones.
Bonus: I think there is only one correct answer. Do you agree?
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
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$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O . W W . . |
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My answer:
T13.
T13 S9 T9 R11 S10 easy dead. (Edited to not accidentally give a ko when I don't pay enough attention to Q13 sente)

Not:
S11 T13 S10 S9 T9 R11 S10 S14 R14 Dying in double ko is better than just dying, so T13 should be considered the only answer. NB if white slips in Q13 sente, black must not carelessly respond at Q14.

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Offline Laman
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Post #213 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 8:18 am 
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i think black S9 also kills, but T13 is easier

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Do you mean S11? My goal was to point out that double ko is worse than normal death, but I realize my wording was not clear about that.

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i meant S9, but didn't read very carefully. it fails

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Post #216 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:15 pm 
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$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
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$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X . 5 X , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O 6 O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
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I don't think I can get sente to help my center stones. I hope I can save them despite playing second.

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Post #217 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:53 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X 7 X X , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


:b17: is a critical point. If White gets the chance to play here, there are a few ways to set up a snapback. I need to play here. Now, is the right side dead? I still need to finish the Monkey Jump sequence with T13 in order to keep the pressure on ... and I'm not sure if that even kills after White plays S9.

Let's see what Kirby's reading comes up with ...
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$$ | . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O |
$$ | . . . . . X O O X X . . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X O , . . X . X O X . X |
$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
$$ | . . X O O O . O . . . . . . . . . . X |
$$ | . O O . . . X . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . O O X O . O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O . . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O , O X X X X , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X X . O O O O 8 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O X . . . . . X X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm quitting go for awhile if I lose this game.

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Kirby,
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I'm quitting go for awhile if I lose this game.
Famous last words. :twisted:

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What were your thoughts (however briefly) on this? I thought some of the forcing moves might be useful.
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$$ | . . O X X X . . X . . . . . X X X X . |
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$$ | . . . . . O O X . . . O X . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X X X O X O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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